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EnI · 01-15-2008, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by NarutoRamen

I guess I'm in the minority here. While it's nice, I don't think this serves any real function. But oh well, people with money buy a whole bunch of other crap, this is no exception I guess.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this is eagly, but rather lacks any real function (for me) to rationalize this over a normal coupe or a X5.

Again: why do you guys think a car should be all about conventional function ???

Again: what's the function of a roadster? Or a mid-engine exotic supercar? Absolutely no conventional function present. But they all offer joy & satisfaction. So it does X6.

Life is not all about function. Nor is 1-dimensional.

Just like in any other category hybrid genres / styles are very popular: mixing different (eg movie or music) genres into one, different fashion styles into one. People roles in their lives are not 1-dimensional ... they are of hybrid nature: businessman, father, sportsman, husband, etc ... all characteristics blended into one person / personality.

Especially women like higher sitting position ... and a fancy & exciting styling. X6 is a perfect choice for them. So it is for men who like sporty performance high-riding vehicle - if it looks like a coupe: even better. I would opt for X6 over X5 any time. Mind that some customers DO NOT buy SAV for their function - but for the high sitting position & bully appearence. X6 has it all: even more - it adds true sporty & aggressive appearence of a sports coupe.

Some like pop, some opera. And - can you imagine - there are some who just love pop opera (eg Il Divo & Co).

But it's true these are niche styles ... An acquired taste. Just like X6.

bmer · 01-15-2008, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by EnI

So ... imagine: eg 330i (3.0L NA 215HP), 330si (3.0L NA 230HP), 330ssi (3.0L NA 272HP) ... 330tti ( 3.0L twin-turbo 300HP), 330ttsi or 330ttsii (3.0L TT 330HP) etc.

Definitely a "no go"!

330i has 272 hp, 335i has 306 hp and the engines can be updated without adding another model (eg. 335i --> 330 hp). I can't see the problem.

EnI · 01-15-2008, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bmer

330i has 272 hp, 335i has 306 hp and the engines can be updated without adding another model (eg. 335i --> 330 hp). I can't see the problem.

What about 325i with 218HP - also 3.0L NA engine? Or 328i with 230HP - also 3.0L NA engine?

All available right now - although not in all markets.

So, what's better:

325i, 328i, 330i, 335i

or

330i, 330si, 330ssi, 330tti .... now imagine AWD on-board: 330xi, 330sxi, 330ssxi, 330ttxi

I guess the majority prefers the first variant.

It's just more appealing & simple.

The new system:

X5 xDrive35d

X5 = model
xDrive = promoted drivetrain technology (sDrive = RWD + active rear differential, hDrive = hybrid drive, eDrive = ??? mild hybrid or electric drive ???)
35 = power rang (higher --> more powerful)
d = fuel type (i= petrol, d = diesel)

330i
sDrive

3 = model
30 = power rang (higher --> more powerful)
i = fuel type
sDrive = promoted drivetrain technology

shonguiz · 01-15-2008, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by NarutoRamen

I guess I'm in the minority here. While it's nice, I don't think this serves any real function. But oh well, people with money buy a whole bunch of other crap, this is no exception I guess.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this is eagly, but rather lacks any real function (for me) to rationalize this over a normal coupe or a X5.

An Suv doesn't serves any function, yet we are many to like them. X6 is just one step further.

NarutoRamen · 01-16-2008, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by EnI

Again: why do you guys think a car should be all about conventional function ???

Again...

I guess you missed the part where I said that it lacks a function, FOR ME! I don't give a rat's ass what the rest of the world thinks. Hell, more that half the idiots in this country voted for "you know who", does that mean that it is OK? I'm an individual, I don't jump on retarded bandwagons. I don't want a F__king company telling me what I need or want, I want the things that suit me.

Anyone in the world can justify anything they ever do (wrong or right), but that doesn't necessarily means that it makes sense. Just because BMW's Head honcho and it's Marketing department can make a good case for this doesn't mean that I'll say: "I guess that makes sense, perhaps I was wrong. I guess the world really does need a cross-over vehicle with less room than a coupe but built like a sleek SUV." Sorry, that don't fly with.

How is my thinking 1-dimensional? Oh, I'm sorry that I wouldn't waste my money on something that isn't what I like.

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Originally Posted by shonguiz

An Suv doesn't serves any function, yet we are many to like them. X6 is just one step further.

Oh really? I guess the last time I went on a long trip with my family and friends (8 people) through the winter storm we should've taken a sedan, since an SUV obviously doesn't serve any function.

warot · 01-17-2008, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by NarutoRamen

I guess you missed the part where I said that it lacks a function, FOR ME! I don't give a rat's ass what the rest of the world thinks. Hell, more that half the idiots in this country voted for "you know who", does that mean that it is OK? I'm an individual, I don't jump on retarded bandwagons. I don't want a F__king company telling me what I need or want, I want the things that suit me.

Anyone in the world can justify anything they ever do (wrong or right), but that doesn't necessarily means that it makes sense. Just because BMW's Head honcho and it's Marketing department can make a good case for this doesn't mean that I'll say: "I guess that makes sense, perhaps I was wrong. I guess the world really does need a cross-over vehicle with less room than a coupe but built like a sleek SUV." Sorry, that don't fly with.

How is my thinking 1-dimensional? Oh, I'm sorry that I wouldn't waste my money on something that isn't what I like.

Oh really? I guess the last time I went on a long trip with my family and friends (8 people) through the winter storm we should've taken a sedan, since an SUV obviously doesn't serve any function.

If you were able to fit 8 people into the SUV, then it is REALLY a SUV. But the X5 cannot do that. The way I see it, the X6 isn't all that different from the X5. While you get a bit less headroom, you still get more or less the same cargo space as an X5. The X5's 3rd row is only good for children anyway.

I'm sure a lot of people will agree, I'd be willing to sacrifice that 5th spot (as in bitch seat) for a car that looks even better than the X5 and probably drives better. The only times I've ever had 5 people or more in a car is when I'm DDing. 2 cents

P.S. Eni didn't call you 1 dimensional either... I think you misread

DoctorD · 01-17-2008, 03:00 AM

I lot of people seem to get worked up about the functionality of the X6 when (a) it is deliberately designed for people who DO NOT need the same utility and function as an X5, just as the 6-series is compared to the 5-series, or the 3-series Coupe compared to the 3-series Wagon. (b) its not that much less useful than the X5. Chassis is the essentially the same in terms of utility, front driver space - height, width is the same as the X5, rear seat space is slightly narrower and with slightly less headroom (4cm IIRC), and although the boot is 70 litres smaller thats still more than other rival mainstream SUVs.

So, forget BMW's marketing bull and just think of it as an X5 that is more dynamically capable and stylish (even if its style isn't something that particularly appeals to you).

Who buys such a car? Well there will be those who see it as a way of standing out, as just the latest thing to buy, but there are some of us who never used the X5's middle seat, neither did we load the cargo bay up beyond the cover and therefore the X6 provides everything we had with the X5, but in a more sporty and stylish package.

BMW do themselves no favours by distracting attention to meaningless nomenclature and talk of having invented a new niche. If only they could just say "..hey, we've built a new SUV variant, we think its pretty cool so we hope you like it"

DoctorD · 01-17-2008, 03:02 AM

NarutoRamen · 01-18-2008, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by warot

If you were able to fit 8 people into the SUV, then it is REALLY a SUV. But the X5 cannot do that. The way I see it, the X6 isn't all that different from the X5. While you get a bit less headroom, you still get more or less the same cargo space as an X5. The X5's 3rd row is only good for children anyway.

Yep, we were able to fit 8 people into the Nissan Pathfinder Armada. 2 in the front, 3 in the second row and 3 in the last row.

I agree with you, the X5 isn't a "fullsize" SUV, that's where the US SUVs usually shine at. The only german that is good enough for my family is the GL, other than that the Japanese and Europeans offer better SUVs.

Merc1 · 01-20-2008, 05:33 PM

I can honestly tell you that after seeing the X6 in person yesterday that this thing is hot. Really sporty and impractical and all the better for it. For people looking for the hot truck this year this is going to be the one. The crowd reaction was tremendous.

M

CorpusCallosum · 01-20-2008, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Merc1

I can honestly tell you that after seeing the X6 in person yesterday that this thing is hot. Really sporty and impractical and all the better for it. For people looking for the hot truck this year this is going to be the one. The crowd reaction was tremendous.

M

Pics????????????????

Merc1 · 01-20-2008, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CorpusCallosum

Pics????????????????

Yep, in a few days.

M

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