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Who makes the best engines in the industry?

Discussion in 'The Pit - General Discussion' started by -=Hot|Ice=-, Jan 7, 2012.

  1. -=Hot|Ice=-

    -=Hot|Ice=- Well-Known Member

    Industry wide, who do you think makes the best engine?
     
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  2. Centurion

    Centurion Well-Known Member Contributing Member

    It depends what defines the best engine: reliability, outright performance, fuel economy or allrounder.
     
  3. Wolfgang

    Wolfgang Well-Known Member GCF Guru Contributing Member

    Could it be AMG? ;)

    AMG won 4 International Engine of the Year awards since the performance category was introduced in 2003.
    Followed by BMW with 3 wins, and Ferrari and Porsche with 1 each.

    2011 WINNERS - Best Performance Engine: Ferrari 4.5-litre V8
    2010 WINNERS - Best Performance Engine: Mercedes-AMG 6.2-litre V8
    2009 WINNERS - Best Performance Engine: Mercedes-AMG 6.2-litre V8
    2008 WINNERS - Best Performance Engine: Porsche 3.6-litre Turbo (911 Turbo, 911 GT2)
    2007 WINNERS - Best Performance Engine: BMW 5-litre V10
    2006 WINNERS - Best Performance Engine: BMW 5-litre V10
    2005 WINNERS - Best Performance Engine: BMW 5-litre V10 (M5, M6)
    2004 WINNERS - Best Performance Engine: Mercedes-AMG 65 (S65, CL65) V12
    2003 WINNERS - Best Performance Engine: Mercedes-AMG 55 (CL55, E55, S55, SL55) V8

    ABOUT THE AWARDS

    Judged by a panel of 76 renowned motoring journalists from 36 countries as disparate as the USA, Japan, China, Russia, New Zealand, India, Korea, Germany, France, Romania, South Africa, Mexico and the UK, the Awards highlight and acknowledge engine engineering excellence.

    International Engine of the Year Awards 2011
     
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  4. Just_me

    Just_me Well-Known Member

    According to Engine of the year awards. These are the best engines from 1995 to 2011

    2011 WINNERS
    Best New Engine of the Year: FIAT 875CC TWINAIR
    Green Engine of the Year: FIAT 875CC TWINAIR
    Best Performance Engine: FERRARI 4.5-LITRE V8
    Sub 1-litre: FIAT 875CC TWINAIR
    1-litre to 1.4-litre: VOLKSWAGEN 1.4-LITRE TSI TWINCHARGER
    1.4-litre to 1.8-litre: BMW 1.6-LITRE TURBO
    1.8-litre to 2-litre: BMW 2-LITRE TWIN-TURBO DIESEL
    2-litre to 2.5-litre: AUDI 2.5-LITRE TURBO
    2.5-litre to 3-litre: BMW 3-LITRE DI TWIN-TURBO
    3-litre to 4-litre: BMW 4-LITRE V8
    Above 4-litre: FERRARI 4.5-LITRE V8


    2010 WINNERS
    Best New Engine: Fiat 1.4-litre MultiAir Turbo
    Green Engine of the Year: Toyota 1.8-litre Hybrid
    Best Performance Engine: Mercedes-AMG 6.2-litre
    Sub 1-litre: Toyota 1-litre
    1-litre to 1.4-litre: Volkswagen 1.4-litre TSI Twincharger
    1.4-litre to 1.8-litre: BMW-PSA 1.6-litre Turbo
    1.8-litre to 2-litre: BMW 2-litre twin-turbo diesel
    2-litre to 2.5-litre: Audi 2.5-litre five-cylinder turbo
    2.5-litre to 3-litre: BMW 3-litre DI Twin-Turbo
    3-litre to 4-litre: BMW 4-litre V8
    Above 4-litre: Mercedes-AMG 6.2-litre
    International Engine of the Year 2010: Volkswagen 1.4-litre TSI Twincharger

    2009 WINNERS
    Best New Engine: Porsche 3.8-litre flat six DI (911)
    Green Engine of the Year: Volkswagen 1.4-litre TSI Twincharger
    Best Performance Engine: Mercedes-AMG 6.2-litre
    Sub 1-litre: Toyota 1-litre three-cylinder
    1-litre to 1.4-litre: Volkswagen 1.4-litre TSI Twincharger
    1.4-litre to 1.8-litre: BMW-PSA 1.6-litre Turbo
    1.8-litre to 2-litre: Audi 2-litre Turbo FSI
    2-litre to 2.5-litre: Mercedes-Benz Diesel 2.1-litre
    2.5-litre to 3-litre: BMW 3-litre DI Twin Turbo
    3-litre to 4-litre: BMW 4-litre V8 (M3)
    Above 4-litre: Mercedes-AMG 6.2-litre
    International Engine of the Year 2009: Volkswagen 1.4-litre TSI Twincharger

    2008 WINNERS
    Best New Engine: BMW 2-litre Diesel Twin Turbo (123D)
    Green Engine of the Year: Toyota 1.5-litre Hybrid Synergy Drive (Prius)
    Best Performance Engine: Porsche 3.6-litre Turbo (911 Turbo, 911 GT2)
    Sub 1-litre: Toyota 1-litre
    1-litre to 1.4-litre: Volkswagen 1.4-litre TSI Twincharger
    1.4-litre to 1.8-litre: BMW-PSA 1.6-litre Turbo
    1.8-litre to 2-litre: Volkswagen/Audi 2-litre Turbo FSI
    2-litre to 2.5-litre: Subaru 2.5-litre Turbo (Forester, Impreza, Legacy, Outback)
    2.5-litre to 3-litre: BMW 3-litre Twin Turbo (135, 335, X6)
    3-litre to 4-litre: BMW 4-litre V8 (M3)
    Above 4-litre: BMW 5-litre V10 (M5, M6)
    International Engine of the Year 2008: BMW 3-litre Twin Turbo (135, 335, X6)

    2007 WINNERS
    Best New Engine: BMW 3-litre Twin Turbo (335i)
    Best Fuel Economy: Toyota 1.5-litre Hybrid Synergy Drive
    Best Performance Engine: BMW 5-litre V10
    Sub 1-litre: Toyota 1-litre
    1-litre to 1.4-litre: Volkswagen 1.4-litre TSI Twincharger
    1.4-litre to 1.8-litre: BMW-PSA 1.6-litre Turbo (MINI Cooper S, Peugeot 207)
    1.8-litre to 2-litre: Volkswagen/Audi 2-litre Turbo FSI
    2-litre to 2.5-litre: BMW 2.5-litre (325, 525, Z4, X3)
    2.5-litre to 3-litre: BMW 3-litre Twin Turbo (335i)
    3-litre to 4-litre: Porsche 3.6-litre Turbo (911 Turbo)
    Above 4-litre: BMW 5-litre V10 (M5, M6)
    International Engine of the Year 2007: BMW 3-litre Twin Turbo (335i)

    2006 WINNERS
    Best New Engine: Volkswagen 1.4-litre TSI Twincharger
    Best Fuel Economy: Toyota 1.5-litre Hybrid Synergy Drive
    Best Performance Engine: BMW 5-litre V10
    Sub 1-litre: Honda 1-litre IMA
    1-litre to 1.4-litre: Volkswagen 1.4-litre TSI Twincharger
    1.4-litre to 1.8-litre: Toyota 1.5-litre Hybrid Synergy Drive
    1.8-litre to 2-litre: Volkswagen 2-litre FSI Turbo
    2-litre to 2.5-litre: Subaru 2.5-litre Turbo
    2.5-litre to 3-litre: BMW 3-litre Twin Turbo Diesel
    3-litre to 4-litre: BMW M 3.2-litre
    Above 4-litre: BMW 5-litre V10
    International Engine of the Year 2006: BMW 5-litre V10

    2005 WINNERS
    Best New Engine: BMW 5-litre V10 (M5, M6)
    Best Fuel Economy: Toyota 1.5-litre Hybrid Synergy Drive (Prius)
    Best Performance Engine: BMW 5-litre V10 (M5, M6)
    Sub 1-litre: Honda 1-litre IMA (Insight)
    1-litre to 1.4-litre: Fiat-GM 1.3-litre Diesel
    1.4-litre to 1.8-litre: Toyota 1.5-litre Hybrid Synergy Drive (Prius)
    1.8-litre to 2-litre: Volkswagen 2-litre FSI Turbo (Golf GTi, Audi A3, A4)
    2-litre to 2.5-litre: Honda 2.2-litre Diesel (Accord, CR-V, FR-V)
    2.5-litre to 3-litre: BMW 3-litre Twin-Turbo Diesel (535d)
    3-litre to 4-litre: BMW 3.2-litre (M3)
    Above 4-litre: BMW 5-litre V10 (M5, M6)
    International Engine of the Year 2005: BMW 5-litre V10 (M5, M6)

    2004 WINNERS
    Best New Engine: Toyota Hybrid Synergy Drive
    Best Fuel Economy: Toyota Hybrid Synergy Drive
    Best Performance Engine: Mercedes-AMG 65 (S65, CL65)
    Sub 1-litre: Honda 1-litre IMA (Insight)
    1-litre to 1.4-litre: Honda 1.3-litre IMA (Civic)
    1.4-litre to 1.8-litre: Toyota Hybrid Synergy Drive
    1.8-litre to 2-litre: Honda 2-litre (S2000)
    2-litre to 2.5-litre: BMW 2.5-litre (325i, X3, 525i Z4)
    2.5-litre to 3-litre: Mazda RENESIS Rotary (RX-8)
    3-litre to 4-litre: BMW 3.2-litre (M3)
    Above 4-litre: Volkswagen 5-litre V10 TDi (Touareg, Phaeton)
    International Engine of the Year 2004: Toyota Hybrid Synergy Drive

    2003 WINNERS
    Best New Engine: Mazda RENESIS Rotary (RX-8)
    Best Fuel Economy: Honda 1.3-litre IMA (Civic)
    Best Performance Engine: Mercedes-AMG 55 (CL55, E55, S55, SL55)
    Sub 1-litre: Honda 1-litre IMA (Insight)
    1-litre to 1.4-litre: Honda 1.3-litre IMA (Civic)
    1.4-litre to 1.8-litre: MINI Supercharged 1.6-litre (Cooper S)
    1.8-litre to 2-litre: Honda 2-litre (S2000)
    2-litre to 2.5-litre: BMW 2.5-litre (325i, 525i, Z4)
    2.5-litre to 3-litre: Mazda RENESIS Rotary (RX-8)
    3-litre to 4-litre: BMW 3.2-litre (M3)
    Above 4-litre: Volkswagen 5-litre V10 TDi (Touareg, Phaeton)
    International Engine of the Year 2003: Mazda RENESIS Rotary (RX-8)

    2002 WINNERS
    Best New Engine: BMW 4.4-litre Valvetronic
    Best Fuel Economy: Honda 1-litre IMA
    Best Concept: GM AUTOnomy
    Sub 1-litre: Honda 1-litre IMA
    1-litre to 1.4-litre: Honda 1.3-litre IMA
    1.4-litre to 1.8-litre: Toyota 1.8-litre VVTL-i 190
    1.8-litre to 2-litre: Honda 2-litre (S2000)
    2-litre to 2.5-litre: PSA Peugeot-Citroën 2.2-litre HDi
    2.5-litre to 3-litre: BMW 3-litre
    3-litre to 4-litre: BMW 3.2-litre
    Above 4-litre: BMW 4.4-litre Valvetronic
    International Engine of the Year 2002: BMW 4.4-litre Valvetronic

    2001 WINNERS
    Best New Engine: BMW 3.2-litre
    Best Fuel Economy: Honda 1-litre IMA
    Best Concept: Saab SVC
    Sub 1-litre: Honda 1-litre IMA
    1-litre to 1.4-litre: Volkswagen Group 1.4-litre TDi
    1.4-litre to 1.8-litre: BMW 1.8-litre Valvetronic
    1.8-litre to 2-litre: Honda 2-litre (S2000)
    2-litre to 2.5-litre: PSA Peugeot-Citroën 2.2-litre HDi
    2.5-litre to 3-litre: BMW 3-litre
    3-litre to 4-litre: BMW 3.2-litre
    Above 4-litre: Ferrari 5.5-litre
    International Engine of the Year 2001: BMW 3.2-litre

    2000 WINNERS
    Best Eco-friendly: Toyota Hybrid Prius
    Best Fuel Economy: Honda Hybrid 1-litre Insight
    Best Concept: DaimlerChrysler Necar 4
    Sub 1-litre: Honda Hybrid 1-litre Insight
    1-litre to 1.4-litre: Toyota 1.3-litre VVTi
    1.4-litre to 1.8-litre: Honda 1.8-litre (Accord)
    1.8-litre to 2-litre: Honda 2-litre (S2000)
    2-litre to 2.5-litre: Alfa Romeo 2.5-litre V6
    2.5-litre to 3-litre: BMW 3-litre TDi
    3-litre to 4-litre: BMW 4-litre V8 TDi
    Above 4-litre: Ferrari 5.5-litre V12
    International Engine of the Year 2000: Honda Hybrid 1-litre Insight

    1999 WINNERS
    Best Eco-friendly: Toyota Prius Hybrid
    Best Fuel Economy: Volkswagen 1.2-liter TDi
    Best Concept: DaimlerChrysler Necar 4
    Sub 1-litre: Toyota 1-liter
    1-liter to 1.4-litre: Volkswagen 1.2-liter TDi
    1.4-liter to 1.8-litre: Toyota Prius Hybrid
    1.8-liter to 2-litre: Volkswagen 1.9-liter 110PS TDi
    2-liter to 2.5-litre: Audi 2.5-liter V6 TDi
    2.5-liter to 3-litre: BMW 3-liter TDi
    3-liter to 4-litre: BMW 4-liter V8 TDi
    Above 4-litres: BMW 5.34-liter V12
    International Engine of the Year 1999: Toyota Yaris 1-liter
     
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  5. Just_me

    Just_me Well-Known Member

    (Ward's best engines, only cars sold in US)



    Ward’s Names 10 Best Engines Winners 2011

    3.0L TFSI Supercharged DOHC V-6 (Audi A6)
    2.0L N20 Turbocharged DOHC I-4 (BMW Z4/528i)
    3.0L N55 Turbocharged DOHC I-6 (BMW 335i coupe)
    3.6L Pentastar DOHC V-6 (Chrysler 300S/Jeep Wrangler)
    2.0L EcoBoost DOHC I-4 (Ford Edge)
    5.0L DOHC V-8 (Ford Mustang Boss 302)
    2.0L Turbocharged DOHC I-4 (Buick Regal GS)
    1.6L DOHC I-4 (Hyundai Accent/Kia Soul)
    2.0L Skyactiv DOHC I-4 (Mazda3)
    3.5L DOHC V-6 HEV (Infiniti M35h)

    Ward’s Names 10 Best Engines Winners 2010

    3.0L TFSI Supercharged DOHC V-6 (Audi S4)
    3.0L N55 Turbocharged DOHC I-6 (BMW 335i)
    1.6L Turbocharged DOHC I-4 (Mini Cooper S)
    3.6L Pentastar DOHC V-6 (Dodge Avenger)
    5.0L DOHC V-8 (Ford Mustang GT)
    1.4L DOHC I-4/111kW Drive Motor (Chevrolet Volt)
    5.0L Tau DOHC V-8 (Hyundai Genesis)
    80kW AC Synchronous Electric Motor (Nissan Leaf)
    2.0L DOHC I-4 Turbodiesel (Volkswagen Jetta TDI)
    3.0L Turbocharged DOHC I-6 (Volvo S60)

    Ward's Auto declares Ten Best Engines of 2009

    Audi AG: 2.0L TFSI turbocharged DOHC I-4 (A4 Avant)
    BMW AG: 3.0L turbocharged DOHC I-6 (135i Coupe)
    BMW AG: 3.0L DOHC I-6 Turbodiesel (335d)
    Chrysler LLC: 5.7L Hemi OHV V-8 (Dodge Ram/Challenger R/T)
    Ford Motor Co.: 2.5L DOHC I-4 HEV (Escape Hybrid)
    General Motors Corp.: 3.6L DOHC V-6 (Cadillac CTS)
    Honda Motor Co. Ltd.: 3.5L SOHC V-6 (Accord Coupe)
    Hyundai Motor Co. Ltd.: 4.6L DOHC V-8 (Genesis)
    Toyota Motor Corp.: 3.5L DOHC V-6 (Lexus IS 350)
    Volkswagen AG: 2.0L SOHC I-4 Turbodiesel (Jetta TDI)


    Ward's Auto declares Ten Best Engines of 2008

    * Audi AG: FSI 2.0L turbocharged DOHC I-4 (Audi A3)
    * BMW AG: 3.0L turbocharged DOHC I-6 (335i Coupe)
    * Daimler AG: 3.0L DOHC V-6 Turbodiesel (Mercedes E320 CDI)
    * Ford Motor Co.: 4.6L SOHC V-8 (Mustang Shelby GT/Bullitt)
    * General Motors Corp.: 3.6L DOHC V-6 (Cadillac CTS)
    * General Motors Corp.: 6.0L OHV V-8 Hybrid (GMC Yukon Hybrid)
    * Honda Motor Co. Ltd.: 3.5L SOHC V-6 (Accord Coupe)
    * Mazda Motor Corp.: 2.3L DISI turbocharged DOHC I-4 (Mazdaspeed3)
    * Nissan Motor Co. Ltd.: 3.7L DOHC V-6 (Infiniti G37)
    * Toyota Motor Corp.: 3.5L DOHC V-6 (Lexus IS 350)
     
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  6. shonguiz

    shonguiz Well-Known Member

    BMW, plain and simple.
     
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  7. Wolfgang

    Wolfgang Well-Known Member GCF Guru Contributing Member


    ...and priced under $55,000. More expensive models incl AMGs don't qualify? The best for average cost? ;)


    "To be eligible for the competition, each engine must be available in a regular-production U.S.-specification model on sale no later than first-quarter 2011 and in a vehicle priced no more than $55,000, a price cap indexed to the average cost of a new vehicle."
     
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  8. hoffmeister_fan

    hoffmeister_fan Well-Known Member

    ^^^^If that's the case, Ferrari and Porsche :D Respectively, their 4.5L V8 and 4.0L Flat-6 and the hp/liter they produce, well it's downright fantastic. They've consistently, over the period of their existence, made some of the best, storied engines.

    If I had to say who makes the best overall engine line right now, I think it'd be a toss-up between BMW and Audi. Their mainstream diesel and petrol engines are solid....modern, efficient and produce prodigious amounts of power. They each have a new high-end turbo V8, which are both ridiculous. M-B has good engine line, but their petrol V6 is becoming long in the tooth. Honda used to produce solid engines but now they are either midpack when it comes to performance or efficiency....they need to up their game.

    Now, if the OP was asking who historically has had made made the best engines that are more mainstream, well, I'll leave that to those more knowledgeable than me.
     
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  9. -=Hot|Ice=-

    -=Hot|Ice=- Well-Known Member

    Gatta hand it to BMW, they know how to make engines properly.
     
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  10. 330CIZHP

    330CIZHP Well-Known Member

    If he price cap.is 55k then BMW.
     
  11. Human

    Human You. The Road. Nothing else. Premium Member

    ANSWER:

    Best all rounder manufacturer of modern, sustainable and technological advanced small and large capacity gasoline and diesel engines is without ANY doubt:-

    BMW AG (Bayerische Motoren Werke AG / English: Bavarian Motor Works) of Munich in the Bavarian Provence of Germany and that folks is the long and short of this thread;)

    :worshbmw:

    AND if this was an exam I would have scored an A+ :usa7uh::D
     
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  12. Just_me

    Just_me Well-Known Member

    M engines been succesful too. In the 'engine of the year' competition M engines been awarded 22 times.

    2011 WINNERS
    3-litre to 4-litre: BMW 4-LITRE V8 (M3)

    2010 WINNERS
    3-litre to 4-litre: BMW 4-litre V8 (M3)

    2009 WINNERS
    3-litre to 4-litre: BMW 4-litre V8 (M3)

    2008 WINNERS
    3-litre to 4-litre: BMW 4-litre V8 (M3)
    Above 4-litre: BMW 5-litre V10 (M5, M6)

    2007 WINNERS
    Best Performance Engine: BMW 5-litre V10
    Above 4-litre: BMW 5-litre V10 (M5, M6)

    2006 WINNERS
    Best Performance Engine: BMW 5-litre V10
    3-litre to 4-litre: BMW M 3.2-litre (M3)
    Above 4-litre: BMW 5-litre V10
    International Engine of the Year 2006: BMW 5-litre V10

    2005 WINNERS
    Best New Engine: BMW 5-litre V10 (M5, M6)
    Best Performance Engine: BMW 5-litre V10 (M5, M6)
    3-litre to 4-litre: BMW 3.2-litre (M3)
    Above 4-litre: BMW 5-litre V10 (M5, M6)
    International Engine of the Year 2005: BMW 5-litre V10 (M5, M6)

    2004 WINNERS
    3-litre to 4-litre: BMW 3.2-litre (M3)

    2003 WINNERS
    3-litre to 4-litre: BMW 3.2-litre (M3)

    2002 WINNERS
    3-litre to 4-litre: BMW 3.2-litre (M3)

    2001 WINNERS
    Best New Engine: BMW 3.2-litre (M3)
    3-litre to 4-litre: BMW 3.2-litre (M3)
    International Engine of the Year 2001: BMW 3.2-litre (M3)
     
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  13. Just_me

    Just_me Well-Known Member

    Who are going to win 2012?
    Maybe M5 F10 make it to the list as well or BMW's new upcoming superdiesel?
     
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  14. klier

    klier Member

    The blinking smily must mean it's a joke........right????
    But since you are one of the most biased members this forum has ever seen.....I am not sure....

    AMG...LMAO....they have made like 4 engines in their life, max. Probably even less. AMG used to be a ricer/tuner company a couple of years ago, before MB bought them. Have you forgotten about that???

    Yeah, and BMW M had 22 wins since 2001.


    Both are going to win. And the new 4 cylinder gasoline engine will win too. Lots of prizes for BMW this year, I'm looking forward to it!
    But I am not so sure whether the new diesel will make it soon enough for that list...
     
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  15. Levi68

    Levi68 Banned

    Truth be said, BMW is still the best. I would just love them to step in the supercar game rival Porshce and Ferrari. They can really do all types of engine, from H2 to V16. The only engine they never had was I5.

    But if the question was, what are my favorite engines right now my answer would be:

    -Porsche 911 GT3 RS 4.0: 4.0l H6 500 PS
    -Lexus LFA: 4.8l V10 560 PS
    -Ferrari 599 GTO: 6.0l V12 670 PS

    The Aston-Martin One-77' engine is just out of this world.
     
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  16. Levi68

    Levi68 Banned

    This is my bet of the winning BMW engines for 2012:

    1.6l Turbo
    2.0l Turbo
    3.0l Turbo

    After 4 years of consecutive winning, the S65 is going to leave its place to the new 3.8l H6 400 PS engine of the 911 Carrera S (991).

    I am surprised the Lexus LFA's V10 did not win in the +4 liter category, it would deserve this title above any other performance engine.
     
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  17. klier

    klier Member

    We'll see. Maybe it will win Best New Engine, and overall in that category it will be the 5th win for the M3 V8
     
  18. mini_cooper4

    mini_cooper4 Well-Known Member

    Hahahah yeah I've enjoyed the AMG joke too :)
    BMW without any doubt... the thread is a bit pointless as we all know the answer :)
     
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  19. 330CIZHP

    330CIZHP Well-Known Member

    It was not even in the running. The only plausible rational explanation for not including was lack of mass production since it is only a 500 unit production run engine.

    But, what you are saying happened in the Evo UK "best engine of the year 2010" where it won over 9 other exotics/supercar engines.

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  20. Wolfgang

    Wolfgang Well-Known Member GCF Guru Contributing Member

    Ward"s 10 Best Engines Award Summary from wiki.

    [​IMG]


    8 awards are listed for Mercedes-Benz:

    1998, 1999, 2000 and 2001 were for the M112 3.2 liter V6 naturally aspirated gasoline 3 valve, e.g. E320, ML320 etc

    2007, 2008 were for the OM642 3.0 liter BlueTEC in the E320 BlueTEC turbodiesel

    2002 was for the M113 5.0 liter V8 in the ML500, naturally aspirated gasoline 3 valve

    2005 was for the OM648 3.2 liter straight six in the E320 CDI turbodiesel


    Nissan received many awards for their VQ V6es.

    Congratulations to all the winners!

    :t-cheers:
     

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