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BMW F10 5er - press drives & reviews

Discussion in '5 Series' started by EnI, Nov 24, 2009.

  1. EnI

    EnI Well-Known Member GCF Guru Contributing Member

    By Car Magazine:

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    BMW 5-series (2010): our reaction in the metal

    By Ben Oliver

    24 November 2009 10:20

    At least it was a genuine surprise. BMW had managed to keep the looks of its new 5-series largely secret until design director Adrian van Hooydonk pulled the covers off at the firm’s Munich headquarters yesterday. I was there, and the reaction in the room was similar to the reaction in the CAR office and on the web when the official pictures were released; muted and mixed.
    But the car looks a lot more interesting in the steel than on a screen. It’s a shame that BMW’s decision to launch it away from the competing distractions of a big motor show means you’re unlikely to see one until March, when it appears at the Geneva show and the first cars arrive in UK showrooms.
    It is unquestionably a more conservative, conventional design than the outgoing Five, and very similar in form and proportion to the current Three. But it has some great angles. For me, the nose is best; the overhangs are remarkably short given modern pedestrian safety regulations, the kidney grille is lower and wider, the creases in the bonnet look deep and dramatic and almost all the extra 80mm wheelbase has gone into the front wings to keep the engine behind the axle line and the weight distribution correct. The net effect means the new Five has more than a little of the Z4’s front-end drama.
    The deep feature line running back from the front arches and the dramatic, triple-strake rear lights are also striking. And the new, softer approach works best in the cabin, where the old Five’s bluff, upright architecture has been replaced by the return of BMW’s hallmark, driver-focussed cocoon. You’ll feel more enveloped by this interior, and the materials and build quality of the very early example we sat in already feel sensational.
    Yes, overall, this new Five doesn’t have the initial impact of the car it replaces. It’s just as controversial, but for entirely different reasons. But don’t let the debate over the design distract you from what’s going on beneath. This new car swaps struts for double wishbones, hydraulic power steering for fully-electric, makes the eight-speed gearbox from the V12 760 available in every model down to the 520d and comes with a list of optional tech arguably unmatched by any other car on sale and made possible only by the massive data-transfer capabilities of its FlexRay electronic architecture.
    So there’s way more to consider here than just the looks; the way the Five drives and functions is set to change just as radically. And that’s before we’ve seen the new engines. The line-up announced at the car’s launch makes a strong case on power, performance and emissions but we’ve seen them all before in slightly different tune in other models. It’s usual to launch a new model with existing engines, then introduce the new motors later to keep the interest up, and that’s exactly what’s happening here. We’ll probably see the hybrid and the hyper-efficient new 2.0-litre diesel at Geneva, with a V8 diesel and twin-turbo V8 M5 following in 2011.
    No question; this car has the brains to stay relevant and competitive until the middle of the next decade. We just wonder if looks that seem safe now will last as long.

    Source: BMW 5-series (2010): our reaction in the metal | Car Blogs | Car Magazine Online
  2. EnI

    EnI Well-Known Member GCF Guru Contributing Member

    By AutoExpress:

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    BMW's new 5-Series

    Official pictures of new 5-Series revealed - we report live from the unveil to bring you all the details that matter

    It’s official, the all-new 5-Series is here! A consistent class-leader since it was introduced back in 1972, the sixth-generation of the ‘5’ promises to be every bit as revolutionary as its forbearers. Auto Express was at an exclusive unveiling of the car in Munich to bring you these first official images and all the details that matter.

    With this car it’s clear that BMW has put the Chris Bangle days behind it. The controversial ex chief designer brought his unique brand of love it or loathe it styling to the last 5-Series, but BMW has kept things more conventional this time around. Gone is the awkward boot lip, replaced instead by cleaner lines and tidy proportions, with only two main creases running along the side of the car.

    In the flesh the low bonnet and shark-like nose give it a sportier and more elegant look than the formal styling of the outgoing model. In fact it appears more like a bigger brother for the 3-series than a down-sized version of the 7-Series we all expected. Something which Adrian van Hooydonk , design chief for the BMW Group claims is a coincidence: “It looks closer to the 3-Series because we’ve taken a sportier direction with the design. In turn, the design for the new 3-Series will have to be even sportier,” he revealed.

    A wheelbase of 2,968 millimetres, the longest in its class, translates to an additional 13 millimetres of leg room in the rear – just one highlight in a much improved cabin. The trademark angled centre console – puts the focus firmly on the driver, while an optional glass sunroof floods the cabin with light. The major design cues, such as the widescreen display and black-panel technology, which appears to be a piece of interior trim when the air-con is not in use and lights up magically when you turn it on, are lifted from the 5-Series GT. But whereas the GT focuses on light and space, the 5-Series is a cosier cockpit-style affair, hinting at its dynamic capabilities.

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    Source: BMW's new 5-Series | Auto Express News | News | Auto Express
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  3. Nenadm87

    Nenadm87 Well-Known Member

    That's what I wanted to hear :usa7uh:
  4. dr Dunkel

    dr Dunkel Global Moderator Staff Member

    Any mention on why the car has gained more than 100 kgs?
  5. EnI

    EnI Well-Known Member GCF Guru Contributing Member

    Actually you can read it here: bimmer today

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  6. dr Dunkel

    dr Dunkel Global Moderator Staff Member

    Thanks, some answers and some excuses.

    Weight is sacrificed and they hope that the gains in fuel economy will make up for this.
  7. EnI

    EnI Well-Known Member GCF Guru Contributing Member

    The car is a bit longer & wider yet a tad lower.

    The center of gravity is lower in F10 than in E60 + the track is wider. And with double wishbone front suspension + all the active systems (active suspension, 4WS, anti-roll stability, etc) the F10 ride is much more dynamic & capable than the E60 ride. The difference is obvious - despite more weight.

    And with active suspension (in comfort mode) the F10 is also more comfortable than E60 - but less than F07 5er GT.

    Not to mention F10 is also more solid & safer than E60 - and the frame is easier to repair than alu frame in E60.
  8. bmer

    bmer Well-Known Member

    I'd have hoped they had put the emphasis on weight saving and not so much on electronic assistance systems (made to deal with the added weight that is ironically caused mostly by themselves). After all a BMW should handle great without any such aids. Those about 120 kg are not a small addition to weight. :eusa_thin
  9. shonguiz

    shonguiz Well-Known Member

    Yeah dissapointing really, after all the efficiency and weigh saving efforts we heard of.
  10. loco@circo

    loco@circo Member

    Maybe it's nearly impossible to have a lower curb weight than the predecessor while increasing safety. More comfort and more assistance systems have their consequences as well.

    Sure... you can leave those gimmicks away. But you will asked why your product isn't up-to-date then. I guess not many people will buy a new car which isn't as sophisticated as its competitors.
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  11. shonguiz

    shonguiz Well-Known Member

    If i remember right the E60 was 5-15 kg lighter than the E39.
  12. Bartek S.

    Bartek S. Well-Known Member Contributing Member

    More: europeancarweb
  13. dr Dunkel

    dr Dunkel Global Moderator Staff Member

    I understod so much, but that would mean that all those things are standard features, right? Otherwise it would not have an impact on the EC weight figure.

    I think they say that things like the ED systems weigh a lot and that is standard.
  14. EnI

    EnI Well-Known Member GCF Guru Contributing Member

    True. Due to hybrid frame construction: front & rear frames were made of aluminum, while the cabin was made of steel. And due to new light alu-mag I6 engines.

    But such body frame construction has its bad sides: especially in structural characteristics. Not to mention the frame was almost impossible (and costly) to repair. Also not very much profitable for the company - since the raw alu & alu manipulation processes (alu frame) are much more expensive than steel frames.

    F10 steel uses alu extensively - yet not for body frame yet for suspension & body panels (hood, doors, roof etc).

    But ... all the new safety & ED solutions make the car heavier.

    Mind the center of gravity is now lower on F10 than it was on E60 - contributing to even better handling despite the weight increase. Since usually weight distribution is much more important for the handling than the weight itself.

    Sure lower weight contributes to lower consumption, a bit better performance, light-feet feeling but better distribution of the weight contributes to natural neutrality on the road. And the solid feel.

    BMW cars are becoming bigger & more mature & refined with every new Mk - nothing new here.

    I doubt future cars will be any lighter - especially due to even more safety & ActiveDrive features, hybrid tech (electromotors + batteries) , more convenience features.

    All until ALU & CF will start to be used extensively in mass production. If ever.
  15. EnI

    EnI Well-Known Member GCF Guru Contributing Member

    The weight gain is about 20kg in average - with comparable engines and comparable equipment vs the E60. Which is not a lot when taking into consideration the F10 is longer & wider.

    Sure due to more standard features (incl ED ones) the F10 is 100+kg heavier than E60.


    Sure even heavier usage of alu, mag, CF etc would bring the weight down - but BMW still has to make the desired level of profitability. Not to mention the usage of exotic materials on such quite volume car can backfire (reliability issues, maintenance costs, etc).

    The weight issue (ie. lightweight material usage) is not the question of engineering, but more of financial question - R&D, purchase, production, after sales activities etc. The question of money. I guess BMW like their money a lot. :D
  16. Nicks

    Nicks Active Member

    lol, where did they get that from? :D
  17. EnI

    EnI Well-Known Member GCF Guru Contributing Member

    Interview with F10 project manager - in English:

    BMW 5 Series Premiere: Interview with project leader Josef Wust
  18. FC123

    FC123 Well-Known Member


    It’s official, the all-new 5-Series is here! A consistent class-leader since it was introduced back in 1972,


    To rate the E12 higher than the W123 is perhaps reaching a bit far...
  19. Just_me

    Just_me Well-Known Member

    LoL! :D
  20. Mii

    Mii Well-Known Member


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