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Orignally donau wanted an in-time acceleration list and i told him i would create it, but then Just_me said he wanted it to, so now here it is, at request.

Some of the numbers will be sure to surprise! The data i just collected took a good four hours, so enjoy it

Overall there are even more cars, i'm looking for them now.

I will post each gear in a new post, it is a long post!

* Indicating Top gear for vehicles with just 5

4th Gear


6.8 – Donkervoort D8 RS06
7.5 – Porsche Carrera GT
7.6 – Gemballa GT550
7.8 – TechArt GT Street
7.9 – Porsche 997 Turbo[/b]
8.2 – Pagani Zonda F
8.3 – Porsche 996 GT2 MK1
8.5 – Ferrari F430
8.6 – Koenigsegg CCR
9.0 – Pagani Zonda C12S 7.3
9.6 – Porsche 996 Turbo
10.0 – Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06
10.0 – MTM Bentley Continental GT
10.1 – BMW M6
10.1 – Alpina B5
10.2 – Aston Martin DB7 GT
10.3 – Mercedes-Benz CLK DTM
10.3 – Ford GT
10.5 – Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale
10.5 – Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren
10.6 – Lamborghini Gallardo
10.8 – BMW E60 M5
10.8 – Ferrari 550 Maranello
10.9 – Mercedes-Benz SL65 AMG
11.2 – Mercedes-Benz SLK55 AMG
11.3 – Ferrari 360 Modena
11.4 – Lamborghini Gallardo SE
11.4 – Porsche 996 GT3RS
11.6 – Porsche 997 GT3
11.6 – Maserati GranSport
11.7 – Maserati 4200GT CC
11.8 – Lotus Esprit 350
11.9 – Mercedes-Benz CLK63 AMG
12.0 – Dodge Viper SRT-10
12.1 – Porsche 997 Carrera S
12.2 – Audi RS4 MK1 Avant
12.2 - Jaguar XKR, 2007
12.6 – Chevrolet Corvette C6
12.6 – Lamborghini Diablo GT
12.6 – TechArt Cayman GT Sport
12.6 - Mitsubishi EVO VI
12.7 – BMW Z8
12.8 – Audi B7 RS4
12.8 – Mitsubishi EVO VII
12.8 – Lamborghini Murcielago 6.2
12.8 – Honda NSX-R
12.8 – Porsche 996 GT3 MK1
12.9 – Porsche 996 Carrera 2
13.1 – Mercedes-Benz SL55 AMG MK1
13.2 – BMW M3 CSL
13.5 – Aston Martin V8 Vantage
13.5 – BMW E39 M5
13.6 – Aston Martin DB7 Vantage
13.8 – Chevrolet Corvette C5 CE
13.9 – BMW Z4M Coupe
14.1 – BMW E46 M3
14.2 – Aston Martin DB9
14.4 – Mercedes-Benz SL55 AMG MK2
14.4 – Audi S6 06
14.4 – Audi S4 03 Avant
14.5 – Porsche 996 Carrera 4
14.7 – Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG
14.8 – BMW 335i
14.8 – Alpina Roadster S
14.9 – Nissan 350Z
15.0 – Porsche Cayman S
15.4 – Aston Martin Vanquish
15.8 – Mercedes-Benz CLS55 AMG
16.0 – Alfa Romeo 156 GTA
16.1 – BMW E60 535d
16.3 – Mercedes-Benz C55 AMG
16.4 - Opel Speedster Turbo
16.7 – BMW Z4 3.0 CSi
16.7 – BMW E60 545i
17.6 - BMW Z4 3.0 SMG
18.2 – BMW Z3 3.0 Roadster
18.4 – Audi S4 Avant MK1
18.8 – Lotus Exige S2
20.0 – Porsche Boxster S 00
20.8 – Volkswagen Golf GTI DSG 05
22.0 – Volkswagen Golf GTi 02
23.5 – Lotus Exige MK1

5th Gear

9.1 – Gemballa GT550
9.2 – Ferrari 575M Maranello
9.4 - Donkervoort D8 RS06
9.6 – Porsche 997 Turbo
10.0 – Porsche Carrera GT
10.2 - Porsche 996 GT2 MK1
10.4 – Pagani Zonda F
10.8 – Ferrari F430
11.3 - Pagani Zonda C12S 7.3
11.7 - Porsche 996 Turbo
12.1 – Porsche 996 GT3 Cup
12.3 – Ferrari 575M Maranello
12.3 - TechArt GT Street
12.4 – AC Schnitzer V8 Topster
12.8 – Koenigsegg CCR
13.0 – Lamborghini Gallardo
13.1 – Mercedes-Benz CLK DTM *
13.1 – BMW M6
13.2 - Ferrari 550 Maranello
13.4 - Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren *
13.4 - MTM Bentley Continental GT
13.9 - Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale
14.4 – BMW E60 M5
14.4 - Aston Martin DB7 GT
14.5 – Ford GT
14.5 – Callaway C12
14.8 – Maserati GranSport
14.8 – Audi RS6
14.8 - Maserati 4200GT CC
15.0 - Ferrari 360 Modena
15.0 - Lamborghini Murcielago 6.2
15.2 - Lamborghini Gallardo SE
15.3 – Mercedes-Benz SLK55 AMG
15.4 - Porsche 996 GT3RS
15.6 - Alpina B5
15.7 – Porsche 997 GT3
15.7 - Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06
15.7 – Porsche 997 Carrera S
15.7 - BMW Z8
15.7 - TechArt Cayman GT Sport
16.1 – Mercedes-Benz SL65 AMG *
16.2 – Donkervoort D8 180R
16.2 - Porsche 996 Carrera 2
16.7 - Honda NSX-R
16.6 – Audi B7 RS4
16.9 - Audi RS4 MK1 Avant
16.9 - BMW E39 M5
17.1 – BMW M3 CSL
17.1 - Audi S4 03 Avant
17.2 - Jaguar XKR, 2007
17.3 - Mitsubishi EVO VI
17.4 - BMW E46 M3
17.5 – AC Schnitzer CLS II
17.5 - Mercedes-Benz SL55 AMG MK1*
17.5 - Porsche 996 GT3 MK1
17.5 - Audi S4 Avant MK1
17.8 - BMW 335i
17.9 - BMW Z4M Coupe
18.2 - Porsche 996 Carrera 4
18.3 – Aston Martin V8 Vantage
18.3 – Mercedes-Benz CLK63 AMG
18.5 – Alpina Roadster S
18.6 – Porsche Cayman S
18.6 – Subaru Impreza WRX STi 04
18.7 - Dodge Viper SRT-10
18.7 - Lotus Esprit 350
18.7 - Lamborghini Diablo GT *
18.7 - Mercedes-Benz SL55 AMG MK2
19.1 - Nissan 350Z
19.7 - Chevrolet Corvette C5 CE
20.2 – Chevrolet Corvette C6
20.2 – Mercedes-Benz C55 AMG *
20.7 - Alfa Romeo 156 GTA
21.8 – Volkswagen R32 MK1
22.1 - Mitsubishi EVO VII
22.5 – Opel Speedster Turbo
22.6 - Porsche Boxster S 00
22.8 - Aston Martin DB7 Vantage
22.9 – BMW Z4 3.0 SMG
23.0 - BMW Z4 3.0 Roadster
23.4 – Volkswagen R32 MK2
24.4 – Honda Civic Type –R
25.1 - Volkswagen Golf GTi 02
25.4 – Honda S2000 MK1
25.6 - Volkswagen Golf GTI DSG 05
25.7 – Renault Clio V6 MK1
27.1 – Subaru GT Turbo 00

6th Gear

12.7 – Gemballa GT550
12.9 - Donkervoort D8 RS06
13.5 – Pagani Zonda F
13.5 – Porsche Carrera GT
13.5 – Porsche 997 Turbo[/b]
14.0 - Pagani Zonda C12S 7.3
14.4 - Porsche 996 GT2 MK1
15.4 - Porsche 996 Turbo
16.0 – Lamborghini Gallardo
16.3 – BMW M6
16.7 - Porsche 996 GT3 Cup
16.8 – Ferrari F430
17.2 – AC Schnitzer V8 Topster
17.3 – BMW E60 M5
17.5 - TechArt GT Street
17.7 – Ferrari 575M Maranello
18.2 - Maserati 4200GT CC
18.5 - Lamborghini Murcielago 6.2
18.9 - Ferrari 550 Maranello
20.0 - Audi S4 Avant MK1
20.2 - Porsche 996 GT3RS
20.2 - Aston Martin DB7 GT
20.2 - MTM Bentley Continental GT
20.3 – Mercedes-Benz SLK55 AMG
20.4 – Ford GT
20.5 - Audi RS6
20.5 - BMW Z8
20.7 - TechArt Cayman GT Sport
21.1 – Porsche 997 Carrera S
21.1 - Lamborghini Gallardo SE
21.4 – Audi B7 RS4
21.4 - Ferrari 360 Modena
22.2 - Audi RS4 MK1 Avant
22.2 - Porsche 996 Carrera 2
22.3 - Audi S4 03 Avant
22.7 - BMW E39 M5
23.4 - Porsche 996 GT3 MK1
23.7 – BMW M3 CSL
24.3 - Callaway C12
25.0 - BMW E46 M3
25.2 - BMW Z4M Coupe
25.4 - AC Schnitzer CLS II
26.1 - Porsche 996 Carrera 4
27.3 - Alfa Romeo 156 GTA
31.4 - Porsche Boxster S 00
32.7 - Aston Martin DB7 Vantage
33.5 - Volkswagen Golf GTi 02
34.4 - Honda Civic Type –R
34.8 - Renault Clio V6 MK1

As you said, some real surprises in there.. Damn man, why can't I give you karma

Lol, you joined about a month ago, or maybe less? and you're already on the karma top list!

Lol, that's true, i have 118 karma which even i can't believe i have.

Thanks to everybody for the karma!

LMAO 118 karma..thats gr8..

Man, this is some great info!! Thank you so much for all your hard work.
I will be studying this from time to time for a long time. A raincheck again That means that I will be on the prowl for three unsuspecting victms for some Karma

Thanks Olli

FYI, In the near future i'll also create a 80-120 km/h list!

youre da man gangstaboy Sorry, Im not allowed to give karma again..

4th gear 80-180

14.4 – Audi S6 06
14.5 – Porsche 996 Carrera 4
14.7 – Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG
14.8 – BMW 335i

5th gear
17.4 - BMW E46 M3
17.5 - Porsche 996 GT3 MK1
17.5 - Audi S4 Avant MK1
17.8 - BMW 335i
17.9 - BMW Z4M Coupe


dang, 335i

no numbers for 335i with 6th gear?

^^


I am throughly impressed by the Maserati GranSport. The flexibilty and torque of the 4.2 litre 8 cylinder is great!

11.3 – Ferrari 360 Modena
11.4 – Lamborghini Gallardo SE
11.4 – Porsche 996 GT3RS
11.6 – Porsche 997 GT3
11.6 – Maserati GranSport

Just_me i checked and there's no 80-180 km/h time in 6th gear for the 335i.

The M5 and M6 seem to do good, even if they're torque "wimps".

I was about to say that. Especially when you consider that the car's chassis is very, very old (only the engine is new from Ferrari). About the flappy paddle gearbox though, is Cambiocorsa related to Ferrari's gearbox in any way? There have been nothing but complaints about the Cambriocorsa, even in Gransport guise (the latest version). There doesn't seem to be any complaints about the F430's or any Ferrari's for that matter.

Ferrari says that the Maserati F1 gearbox is in no way related to their system I think the orignal software is most likley the same unit, but i think the Ferrari has cleaner, faster shifts as well as better electronics. However i do know for fact the MC12 shares the exact same sequential unit as the Enzo.

These comparisons are informative, but can be very deceiving. The example of the 335i taking about the same time as a E55 from 80-180km/h in 4th gear is a very good example.

The 335i has a 6 speed transmission, while the E55 has a 5 speed transmission. In 4th gear, the grear ratio in the 335i is 1.19, while it is 1.00 in the E55. In 5th gear, the ratio is 1.00 in the 335i, while the E55 is in overdrive at 0.83.

This just shows the importance of gearing in acceleration runs. In real life, cars and drivers will downshift to get maximum acceleration. And trust me when I say this: The E55 will blow the 335i in any acceleration run in a straight line in real life when you allow for optimal gear selection.

If you compare the gears with identical ratios, the results can be different. For example, let's compare the 335i to the C55 (of course ). If you look at the numbers for 4th gear and 5th gear acceleration, you can see the 335i blows the C55 away!! But does it really? The 335i has the benefit of one extra gear. If you compare the 4th gear of the C55 to the 5th gear of the 335i (when both cars are in a gear ratio of 1.00), you get a completely different picture. One way to get around this is to compare every car using the highest overdrive gear (whether it's 5,6, or 7 speeds).

If you look at it this way, some of the "surprises" we see on this list are no longer very surprising. If all cars had the same number of gears, this comparison would be more straightforward than it is now.

Well in real life at such speeds the M5 will leave the e55/e63 behind. After 160 Km/h the Mercs. can't touch it.

As for the 335i, well aren't we forgeting the runflats ?!

Trust me, i'm aware of that Another factor can be the fact that for some vehicles top gear is 5th, some 6th. (EDIT, you already said that, my bad) As you said, it's all about gear ratios.

If you check each set of posts you'll notice an "*" which represents top gear.

Hey Imhotep, I'm not talking about the M5 blowing away the E55/E63 after 160km/h. I'm talking about comparing acceleration runs in 4th/5th/6th gear when different cars have different number of gears, which could dramatically affect the results, and I'm using the C55 gear ratios as an example simply because I know my car's specs very well.

I'm not bashing BMW or the 335i. Why do you constantly sound so defensive??

What is YOUR point about the 335i on runflats??

Yeah, but the 335i doesn't compete in real life with the E55. The E55 was a M5 competitor and here it was quite behind the M5 (14.7 vs 10.8). Ofcourse the Ms have that freaking fast 7 speed SMG III gerbox, so it might not be fair.


It would have been faster with some proper tyres.
You're talking about gear ratios influencing the result, while I'm talking about tyres as a factor too.
The giveth and the taketh.

Dude, get a grip on the context of my posts and this thread. Just_me cited an example of the 335i taking 17.8 seconds to go from 80-180km/h and the E55 time was 17.7 seconds. I used this example to illustrate my point about how different gear ratios can affect acceleration runs. I KNOW the 335i is not a competitor to the E55.

The big difference in acceleration in 4th gear between the 5-SPEED E55 and 7-SPEED M5 is likely due to the different gearing ratios. The speed with with the SMGIII shifts is irrelevant in this comparision (the whole point of this test is to test acceleration in a fixed gear).


You're right, maybe the 335i will be faster with lighter, more grippier tires. Just like my C55 will likely blow the E46 M3 away on the Nurburgring/Hockeheim if I had wider 19" tires and a LSD like the M3 has.....

OK, OK...


Ha, ha, ha... that's a good one.
You Merc. boys are so funny some times.

lol of course, I like BMW but Im not stupid but this list show us how long it takes to reach 80-180km/h with different cars in different gears. Nothing else but the 335i does impress me with its claim 306hp

imhoptep and Valkyrie, Im going to puke if I hear you guys mention laptimes again in this thread. We already have track threads, talk there not here.

Here are the speeds held in each gear for both cars, and the E63 just for fun:

BEAST...........…E55...........E63………M5
RPM............…6100.........6800……..7750
Final Drive...…2.65..........2.82……...-
1st gear.......…48.34........41.54…….44.43 mph
2nd gear......…79.25........63.57…….66.74 mph
3rd gear.....…123.09........94.69…….97.99 mph
4th gear.....…173.55.......132.71……127.13 mph
5th gear.....…209.10.......181.81……152.73 mph
6th gear.........-....….......221.71……176.97 mph
7th gear.........-.......…....249.05……212.45 mph

These explain why the E55 did so poorly

BTW it seems whoever chose the ratios for the E63 must have been dropped on their head several times, unless AMG was really trying to handycap the car at top end?