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Just_me · 07-14-2009, 03:24 PM

I changed the last pic, posting pics of girls showing the breasts arent appropiated here.

HighestOfHigh · 07-14-2009, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Just_me

I changed the last pic, posting pics of girls showing the breasts arent appropiated here.

I don't remember exactly which picture I posted, but it wasn't anything like that.

Centurion · 07-14-2009, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by GBOY

I'd agree, but fortunately, not too many fools can afford this puppy.

That is if you don't know how to get access to credit you really can't afford.

Merc1 · 07-14-2009, 05:15 PM

What is it?

This is the Mercedes SLS, which is billed as a modern-day successor to the legendary 300SL.

We’re sampling it at the 2.2-mile Sachsenring circuit near Dresden, both behind the wheel and with former DTM ace Bernd Schneider driving.

It’s not quite the finished product, but a pre-production prototype covered in light disguise. It is set to get its first public airing at the Frankfurt motor show in September.

What’s it like?

While there’s a good deal of the old 300SL evident within the SLS’s exterior shape - gullwing doors and all - it is anything but a throwback in terms of its construction. Its aluminium body is supported by a super-stiff aluminium spaceframe. The result? A kerb weight of 1680kg.

The four-valve-per-cylinder 6.2-litre V8, mounted up front behind the front axle line, is related to the engine AMG places in just about all its road-going models these days: the M156. A raft of modifications make it lighter and livelier. So many changes, in fact, that the SLS’s engine gets its own unique codename: M159.

It kicks out 563bhp at 6800rpm along with 479lb ft of torque at a rather high 4750rpm – some 402lb ft of which, AMG says, can be tapped at just 2500rpm.

Channelling the drive back to the rear wheels is Mercedes’ first ever double-clutch gearbox. The seven-speed unit has four distinct shift modes as well as a race start function, and departs from AMG convention in being mounted at the rear in a transaxle, where it also provides the mounting points for the rear suspension. It’s an arrangement that provides the SLS with a near-to-perfect weight distribution of 48 per cent front/52 per cent rear.

With those big doors drawn shut - a process that requires a big overhead heave due to the absence of an electronic closing mechanism - the SLS’s interior feels snug. You sit quite low, below the height of the sturdy sill. However. the upright windscreen provides an almost uninterrupted view out front.

The dashboard is set well forward but there’s no real need to reach out, because all of the switchgear relevant to the car’s set-up is mounted down on the broad centre console, including the stubby shift lever.

It’s a luxurious driving environment, full of leather, aluminium and carbonfibre. It also houses eight airbags - surely a record at this end of the supercar spectrum. It may be a prototype but the overall fit and finish of car we drove was highly impressive - already better than some long-established rivals, in fact.

It’s loud, but not overbearingly so, the engine’s soundtrack being higher in pitch than the typically guttural blare of recent AMG models.

It’s more responsive, too. Mercedes says it’ll hit 62mph from standstill in 3.8sec. Impressive - and it would be even sharper with a more aggressive final drive ratio. It’s above this speed, though, where the SLS is even more remarkable; the sprint to 124mph is achieved in under 10.0sec. Flat out, it is claimed to top 195mph.

The big carbon ceramic discs - 390mm in diameter up front and 360mm at the rear - provide massive stopping power, and even after 10 hard laps the pedal was devoid of any fade.

For all the severity of its acceleration and startling strength of its brakes, though, the SLS is remarkably fluid in its actions. The power-assisted steering is surprisingly light, but there’s enough life in it to urge you to push hard through corners because you’re always aware of what the front end is up to.

You can sense the low moment of inertia - the upshot of AMG’s efforts to concentrate as much weight around the centre line as possible - in the way the SLS peels into corners at speed. The handling is wonderfully neutral.

When you do edge past the high levels of adhesion, the SLS’s chassis - a combination of traditional double wishbones all round without any superfluous active suspension gimmickry of any kind - allows you to dabble with oversteer.

But it’s the traction that is perhaps the most appealing part of the SLS’s whole dynamic repertoire. The SLS stomps out of corners with extraordinary rear end purchase, feeling more like a rear-engined car than one that sites its engine up front.

Should I buy one?

To say the SLS is merely good is to do it no justice at all. It is spectacularly good: solid, fast, agile and, perhaps most important, entertaining in a way no modern-day Mercedes has managed - the recently discontinued McLaren-built SLR included.

Bottom line? The SLS is, in final prototype form at least, a far more engaging car than the SLR it effectively replaces in the Mercedes-Benz line-up - less grand tourer, more hardened supercar in overall character.

Mercedes’ increasingly unconstrained AMG operation has succeeded in its goal of building a car capable of taking the challenge to the likes of the Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano, and not just on straight-line performance alone.

Mercedes-Benz SLS - Road Test First Drive - Autocar.co.uk

Fingers crossed about even coming close to the 599GTB.

M

DaSilva · 07-14-2009, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Just_me

I changed the last pic, posting pics of girls showing the breasts arent appropiated here.

WOOOT

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Originally Posted by HighestOfHigh

I don't remember exactly which picture I posted, but it wasn't anything like that.

I am seriously begining to like you mr.HOH
!

Centurion · 07-14-2009, 06:27 PM

Those are some promising words. Finally MB have made a genuine sports car as opposed to a sporty car.

HighestOfHigh · 07-14-2009, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DaSilva

WOOOT

I am seriously begining to like you mr.HOH
!

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Originally Posted by Just_me

I changed the last pic, posting pics of girls showing the breasts arent appropiated here.

Oh wow...I just googled and saw the picture I posted. I completely missed that. It was the first one that showed up on google for images. Thanks for changing it.

GBOY · 07-14-2009, 07:08 PM

I stand corrected ...

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Originally Posted by HighestOfHigh

Actually.....

HighestOfHigh · 07-14-2009, 07:10 PM

SLC -

I think I might end up loving the covertible's shape even more then the SLS.

VroomVroom · 07-14-2009, 07:12 PM

Could that be why Mercedes are holding the release back for?

The Convertible?

cawimmer430 · 07-14-2009, 08:02 PM

From what I am seeing so far, the design looks pretty awesome. A nice homage to the original 300SL Gullwing and Roadster. The retro style looks pretty good (again, from what I can see and make out).

I wonder why on other forums everyone is bashing this retro style, yet they love the new Camaro and Challenger (eh, retro style, anyone?).

The Lexus LF-A is also being prepped up big time. These cars will probably hit the market at the same time give or take.

Deutsch · 07-14-2009, 10:18 PM

Deutsch · 07-15-2009, 12:08 PM

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Before we reveal what it is like to hot-lap a prototype version of Mercedes-Benz's 6.2-liter V8-powered SLS around the 2.2-mile Sachsenring in eastern Germany, let us tell you one thing that puts the big rear-wheel-drive coupe into clear perspective.

The SLS, planned to get its first public outing at the Frankfurt motor show in September, is not based on any existing Mercedes model. Rather, it has been conceived, designed and engineered from the ground up in a no-compromise approach by the German carmaker's in-house tuning division, AMG.

“Every component is either unique or heavily modified from standard and has been chosen with a great deal of care and consideration,” says development boss Tobias Moers, with a grin of obvious satisfaction. “It's far from your average AMG model.”

That is obvious from the moment you draw the SLS's gullwing door closed with a big heave from overhead, press the starter button on the center console, draw the paddle shift on the steering wheel forward to select first gear and accelerate hard out of the pit lane, followed by the blare of an angry exhaust.

The new two-seater's exterior styling adheres closely to the overall shape of its spiritual predecessor, the gorgeous 300SL. However, the SLS is anything but a throwback. Its lightweight aluminum body is supported by a superstiff, state-of-the-art aluminum spaceframe that helps it achieve a 3,696-pound curb weight.

The 6.2-liter V8, mounted up front behind the front axle line, is related to the engine that AMG places in just about all of its road-going models these days, the M156. A raft of modifications make it lighter and livelier. There are so many changes, in fact, that the SLS's engine gets its own unique code name: M159. It kicks out 571 hp at 6,800 rpm, with 479 lb-ft of torque at 4,750 rpm--some 402 lb-ft of which can be tapped at just 2,500 rpm.

Channeling the drive back to the rear wheels is the first-ever dual-clutch gearbox for Mercedes. The seven-speed unit has four distinct shift modes as well as a race-start function, and it departs from AMG convention in being mounted at the rear in a transaxle. It's an arrangement that helps provide the SLS with a near-perfect weight distribution of 48 percent front/52 percent rear.

It's a potent combination that sees the SLS hit 62 mph from standstill in 3.8 seconds. That's impressive, and it would be even sharper with a more aggressive final drive ratio. It's through the gears, though, where the new Mercedes really comes alive; the sprint to 124 mph is achieved in less than 10.0 seconds, according to Moers. Flat-out, it tops 195 mph.

For all the severity of its acceleration, though, the SLS is remarkably fluid in its actions. The power-assisted steering is light, but there's enough life in it to urge you to push hard through corners, because you're always aware of what the front end is up to--not something you could say about AMG's other supercar of the moment, the SL65 Black Series

You can sense the low moment of inertia--the upshot of AMG's efforts to concentrate as much weight around the center line as possible--in the wonderfully neutral nature of its handling.

When you do edge past the high levels of adhesion, the SLS's chassis--a combination of traditional double wishbones all around, without any superfluous active-suspension gimmickry of any kind--allows you to dabble with oversteer. Turn off the ESP, and lurid tail-out slides are there for the taking in appropriate conditions.

The traction is perhaps the most appealing part of this car's dynamic repertoire. The SLS stomps out of corners with extraordinary rear-end purchase and incredible poise, feeling more like a rear-engine car than one whose engine sits up front.

To say that the SLS is merely good is to do it no justice. It is spectacularly good--solid, fast, agile and entertaining in a way that no modern-day Mercedes model can claim, the McLaren-built SLR included. AMG's decision to look beyond any existing Mercedes model when developing the new coupe has clearly paid handsome dividends. After 10 laps of the Sachsenring, we have no doubt that Aston Martin, Audi, Ferrari, Lamborghini and Porsche all have a potent new rival on their hands.

Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG: The gullwing takes flight: AutoWeek Magazine

Deutsch · 07-15-2009, 12:14 PM

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I'm barely three turns into my first lap, and already my brain has automatically activated its auxiliary data logger, the one reserved for "extra-special events." I don't want to forget a nanosecond of this. Partly, it's a result of the venue. For the first time in my career, I'm driving on Germany's 13-mile-long Nurburgring Nordschleife, a.k.a. "The Green Hell," the most fearsome, challenging, and dangerous racetrack in the world. But my highly elevated pulse is also due in large measure to the screaming, whirling vehicle at hand. I don't entirely know what it looks like -- the prototype's bodywork is still masked by tape and cardboard camouflage -- but if these first few blitzkrieg corners are any indication, the all-new Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG "Gullwing" is going to disrupt the supercar pantheon when it hits American roads next spring.

We journalists love "firsts," because via benefit of a good "first" or two the copy flows easily, the headlines write big, and in no time our report is posted and we're headed to the bar, job done. Alas, no wood-paneled celebratory saloon for me -- I'm writing this at 37,000 feet -- but as "firsts" go, the new SLS boasts so many I should be finished writing this piece before the next spellbinding serving of warm mixed nuts.

For one thing, the SLS is the first automobile built entirely from scratch by Mercedes-Benz's Affalterbach-based performance division, AMG. As such, it shares its platform with no other Benz; it's a clean-sheet, just-as-we-want-it effort from the team that's been hyper-tuning regular Benzes for decades. The SLS is also the first production Mercedes crafted entirely in aluminum (excepting an extremely small number of custom-ordered 300SLs). The curvaceous aluminum body panels wrap around an all-alloy spaceframe. And, as you'd expect, the SLS presses down upon the earth with a commensurately feathery footprint, just over 3500 pounds by AMG claims.

Each corner of the SLS is suspended by dual control arms ("double wishbones") -- another Benz first. Two suspensions will be offered: a normal setup and a performance version with stiffer springs and shocks. Unlike some competitors -- say, the Ferrari 599 -- the SLS uses no electronics to control ride motions (similarly, the rear-differential is a conventional limited slip). Standard brakes are steel (six-piston calipers in front; four-piston at the rear), with carbon-ceramics optional. AMG claims the SLS can stop from 60 mph in less than 100 feet. The wheels are lightweight 19-inch alloys up front, 20-inchers in back. Continental and Michelin each developed tires especially for the SLS. AMG chassis engineers haven't yet decided which compound they prefer; Mercedes will likely offer both.

Under the hood lies essentially the same AMG-built, naturally aspirated, DOHC, 6208cc V-8 I sampled barely over a week ago in the new 2010 E63 AMG sedan. Of course, given the SLS's "superstar" status, AMG has further tweaked this megamotor for Gullwing duty. Among some 120 changes are forged pistons, modded cams, a new exhaust system, and, perhaps most important, a new dry sump system that helps lower the car's center of gravity (no oil pan is needed). Power climbs from 518 horsepower (in the E63) to a thundering 571 hp at 6800 rpm in the SLS (torque checks in at 479 pound-feet at 4750 rpm).

Mated to the hand-built V-8, and still another "first" for Mercedes, is a new 7-speed dual-clutch rear transaxle. The box offers four increasingly aggressive modes: Controlled Efficiency (i.e., "normal"), Sport, Sport-Plus, and Manual (the latter allowing full driver control using the shift paddles behind the wheel). In Manual, shifts bang off 50 percent quicker than in C mode; less than 100 milliseconds. The rear-mounted shift unit couples to the engine via a torque tube. Inside the tube rotates a carbon-fiber driveshaft, a design proven on AMG's C-Class racer in the German Touring Car (DTM) series. The engine itself is mounted aft of the front axle; in concert with the transaxle, this powertrain balancing act results in 47/53-percent front/rear weight distribution, remarkable for a long-hooded two-seater with a hulking V-8 up front.

I'm not sure how I expected the SLS to drive; perhaps, I thought, it would feel like a smaller, nimbler version of Mercedes' other exotic, the McLaren-bred-and-built SLR. In those first few flying corners of the Ring, though, I realized any SLR-like expectations were entirely wrong. The SLS feels nothing like the SLR -- and, given how little fondness most of us have for the admittedly fast but hulking and numb McLaren, that's a very good thing indeed.

The SLS feels like . . . well, a race car with manners. After I'd cracked off a few thunderclap shifts, listened to a couple of full-throttle crescendos from the unbridled V-8, and experienced the bite and poise of the AMG-bred chassis through two or three bends, any and all SLR comparisons were long forgotten. Don't let the retro-year gentility of the gullwing styling deceive you: The SLS is a purebred athlete -- a true sports car -- that simply hungers to run.

Following behind AMG development boss Tobias Moers (he in an SL65 AMG), I was able to concentrate almost entirely on the SLS without having to guess which way the Ring was going to bend or unfurl next. The new Gullwing feels light, nimble, alive in your hands. Steering feel (ratio is fixed at 13.1:1, with speed-sensitive variable effort) is brilliant, the front tires nibbling just what your hands wish to feed them, while cornering forces transmit usefully to signal your approach to the tires' limits. Given the SLS's long hood/short deck profile, I expected lots of understeer with lurking snap oversteer, but I got neither.

The SLS digs in with almost no understeer at all, while the rear end almost refuses to step out (unless you switch off all stability controls and really provoke it). Believe me: The hellish Nordschliefe hides myriad pitfalls -- including several corners where the road arcs just as the car goes light cresting a hill -- but never did the SLS come unglued. As for speed . . . oh, yes, the SLS has gobs of that. AMG claims a 0 to 62 mph of just 3.8 seconds, and on the Ring's two-mile-long back straight my SLS was hurtling past 180 mph with breath to spare (top speed is electronically limited to 196 mph).

To ratchet up the Ring/SLS experience, I also took to the passenger seat for a full-tilt hot lap with five-time DTM champion Bernd Schneider at the helm. Thrilling? Imagine riding inside a Cuisinart set to "pummel." Yet even at 10/10ths the SLS remained thoroughly well-behaved.

The prototype I drove sported ceramic brakes (in three high-speed, 13-mile laps they never lost a dollop of stopping power) and the performance suspension option. Even so, it didn't beat me up over the track's rougher stretches. During a pitlane chat with Bernd Schneider, though, the racer offered that the standard suspension is plenty competent and more than enough for anything but regular track use. "It's the setup I'd buy," he said.

The prototypes aren't fully finalized, as I found out when the transmission software hiccupped during a few attempted downshifts. "Yes, we are still fine-tuning that," said Volker Mornhinweg, Chairman of Mercedes-AMG GmbH. "Upshifts are easy -- bam, bam, bam! But downshifts . . . the computer has to know what you want to do. Are you, say, downshifting early to carry more speed out of a corner you could actually take in a higher gear? The software needs to be smart enough to have the right gear ready for whatever you want to do. That's one of the things we'll be refining before we sign off on the SLS in January."

2010 Mercedes SLS AMG Review and photos - 2010 Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG - Motor Trend

DaSilva · 07-15-2009, 12:35 PM

Looks like they invited the whole world to the SLS AMG N-ring debut with cammo.. I wish they invited me but this car must be good!!!!

The Artist · 07-15-2009, 12:52 PM

ohh sexxy piano wood

Tarek · 07-15-2009, 12:53 PM

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ZicZachZo · 07-15-2009, 01:30 PM

It's a bit uncharacteristic to see the full interior without camo before release?

Merc1 · 07-15-2009, 02:01 PM

The reviews are so encouraging....can't wait to see the numbers. Breath held.

M

Just_me · 07-15-2009, 03:12 PM

No talk about N-ring laptimes since the press invite was at N-ring?

HighestOfHigh · 07-15-2009, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Just_me

No talk about N-ring laptimes since the press invite was at N-ring?

Looks like someone is getting excited. I'm sure that will come later, probably around the same time your AMG-Benz hat & starter kit will come in the mail.

Just_me · 07-15-2009, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by HighestOfHigh

hat & starter kit

Im not familiar with these words?

hat & starter kit, ehh?

Bilal · 07-15-2009, 03:39 PM

They're referring to your recent decision to apply for MB fanboy membership.

There is a monthly recurring charge for this membership you know, as it is a Mercedes membership, we feel the extra premium charged over other free competitor memberships is justified by the exclusivity, reliability and desirability of the brand.

Alwing · 07-15-2009, 05:14 PM

Found this video on youtube.
The SLS at the N-ring with Bernd Schneider at the wheel.

No official laptime yet but the video gives a nice indication however.

HighestOfHigh · 07-15-2009, 05:45 PM

Should be a winner, but I am still concerned about the exterior design. The interior is beyond amazing!

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