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During the past few weeks we've noticed some criticism against the posts, and the curators of this section (SCOTT27 and Eni).
We would like to hear from you. Please let us know your thoughts about this.

It is a great part of the forum. Small bits that otherwise could have been missed, or we would have had a much tougher job finding them. There are those that don't like the things posted here but it is, on the other hand, very easy to stay away from this part of the forum.

I say, let it stay!

HUH????

Come on! Admin....what kind of question is this?

Eni, Scott27 etc...

Their input is priceless!

THEY CONTRIBUTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree. Even though I'm not a fan of BMW, I still value the information that Scott and EnI give us.

Dear members,

mind this thread is not only a place for your praises ... but mostly for your criticism & rage ...

Let your voice be heard ...

HERE!


(and not in some other threads ... off topic)




So, think of this thread as the "ultimate internal combustion" where "BMW CM vs. the others" battle is going on. Regarding the CM role, style, attitude etc.

So, a nice opportunity is given for you to "attack" freely ... So, just do it.

I vote for them to stay ... but with more value added info and less useless propaganda

Yes we want more input from you Eni & scott27 !
we want more informations etc ...
we want you to continue to explain us BMW choices in term of design

i agree with Sayyaaf. it's annoying when they have to spread their bmw-worshiping propaganda in every car thread that is competing with a bmw group product.

beside that, it's great to have them here.

They should not be allowed to moderate their own section..
its just propaganda at the max.. and they have the chance to delete threads and do whatever they want..

let someone else be admin of that section..
and keep the marketing crap in the designated section.. dont spread crap all over the other threads..

as a member said its easy to ignore that section.. but its not easy to ignore the bs..its in every single thread....

Fed up with this..

I concur with this post.

However, Eni has become very irritating as of late. IMHO he is giving creative marketing a bad name by being very argumentative and defensive with people who have differing views or opinions. I

Honestly, the propaganda is good for a laugh or two. I don't put too much thought into it though, because you can't change the narrow-minded. It's not exclusive to the BMW CM marketing team - it extends across all sorts of brands, from all sorts of individuals.

Regardless of my extreme dislike - I'd like for them to stay. Opinions are afterall, what makes a community a community.

Why criticise Scott27 and Eni?

They are sent here to spread the good words of their employer (BMW). I think their participation in this forum can play a constructive role by communicating our ideas, wishes, and suggestions to the powers-that-be at BMW.

See it as a silent dialogue between us and BMW.

Some of us get a little passionate and irrational (juvenile even) in supporting our respective beloved marque.

I didn't really like the old scott but that was never a problem cause i learned since carspyshots to skip all the meaningless stuff he spread, but on the other hand the new one is much more humble and concrete in his talk, he somehow restored some of my faith in the scott legend .

Anyway i have a much bigger appreciation for Eni cause he's a smart guy and not a BMW employee meaning you can speak with him as any other member here, he isn't the robot that scott is. Of course he will always defend the BMW product approach and stratgies and that sometimes makes his argumentation filled with some bad faith, hypocrisy or contradiction but that's the case of everyone here, we are all at some extent blind and hypocrite fanboys, but the difference is that some can be more credible than others and this is why Eni pisses the other so much, i don't believe one second it's because he's supposedly spreading crap on all the threads, the ones saying such things are the first ones to do it, but they do it in a much more chilidish and simplistic way, so why denying Eni a right that every one else has and over use ? But something that Eni should change is to control him self better, i know that facing always the same chilidish crap and the sensation to be speaking to a wall is quite frustrating but neverthless debate should always be polite.

What i propose is not to remove them from the mod position of the CM section but to add another mod to them, and all contreversial decisions will then have to gain unanimity before being taken. CM is an unique feature that, like it or not, is a mega + to this forum, it's somesort of silent seamless dialogue with one of the most powerful and hottest compagnies in this planet, so all in all, yes CM should stay.

I'm not a BMW fan. But I value the input of EnI and Scott. They give us a peak into BMW's internal functionning, inform us early about the projects, give us hints about the design of future Beemers, and explanations about sopme choices.

Of course, some of the marketing talk around it can be annoying, but it's easy to see between the lines and to separate the good from the bad in those informations.

I think the pro are far bigger than the cons, as you don't have to believe every single word coming from any member of the forum. The CM team is no exception: some things you agree with, some things you don't. Simple as that.

If you ban the CM team because some of their posts are not your taste, not objective enough, then you should ban every single member here.

We all are subjective and all sometimes talk crap, this is perfectly natural.

The problem ... some ppl may be forgot they one way or another .. if Scott or Eni or whoever stopped participating, we will be left in the dark with no hint of BMWs future which is not true .. the news spread from other places like auto blogs and other sources .. recently they tend to promote BMW regardless of the relation of the thread ... and many missleading info .. hence I'd rather see an actual output or a test mule in our case rather than just talks that is based on just "birdie" or a "casual staff meeting" .... honestly I've been dissappointed by this CM thing rather more than happy ..

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I am happy to have them here for the bmw fans and info they give on futre bmw models thats great but at times they dont respect other brands and fans of other brands that part i find annoying.

I think they should stay but be respectful and honest.

Scott can stay if he posts only in BMW sections. No need to go to other threads outside BMW section and post how much better BMW are than the competition, we, BMW fans, are doing that job on our own.

And Eni, you have to control your emotions and not taking it personal and being rude to members or telling them to switch brand if they dont like what BMW are doing. I understand its not easy sometimes but show us your mature side. Eni, you are a member like anyone else, you have the same rights as us so you are entitled to express your opinion but do it what majority of the members do, meaning in a good, positive way.

Scott having his own section is no problem, if you guys dont like what he is writting in his channel, then avoid that section. And those few members who are against Eni/Scott, read between the lines and dont take their words literally. You decide what you want to believe in.

All in all, if Scott posts only in BMW sections and Eni show us his good side and try to understand not everyone approve what BMW are doing, then GCZ will be fine.

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I am all in for CM! It's one of the things that makes this forum great. All that info, and things to talk about. It's just fantastic. And from time to time, some pieces of valuable information. All you need is to use your miind to filter the amount of info here. And we also need better manners from everyone. Not only CM, but from those who are attacking it, as well.

As for EnI, I am totally convinced he is one of the most valuable members of this community, and one of the most enigmatic. If you can see what's CM and what's EnI's knowledge, info, and opinions, then everything is fine. Personally, I have learned a lot of things from this guy, and I have to admit that he really nows a lot about (car) brands marketing!

stay

That pretty much sums up everything I was intending to say in this thread.

I approve of CM and what they do in the BMW sections, in that section they provide me the exact information I seek. But else where, especially in the VAG or MB sections they contribution is nothing but negative. Scott in particular need to follow the advice of our good old mothers "I you don't have anything positive to say, then don't speak at all". Every single one of his posts outside the BMW sections follow the same riddle of trying to put the competitors down while attempting to raise the profile of BMW and that what they are doing is the right and only path in life. I'd go as far as stamping his as a troll because he's 100% biased and has nothing but negativity to say about MB and VAG/PAG. It does not need to be like that, this is not them3post.com or e46fanatics. Scott and Eni do not need to abuse what their powers or what they've been given -- moderator status and a CM channel.

EnI can be overly "aggressive" and condescending at times and I would prefer that he tones it down a notch, but they are his opinions and his entitled to them.

Scott and EnI are both overly sensitive to criticism.

In my view, we should have known that EnI was a moderator in this area and in general, I think it's a bad idea (fox minding the hen-house).

And although I get quite annoyed from time to time by some of their posts, in total, their contributions cannot be denied and most are helpful and appreciated.

They should absolutely stay.

Most of the 'inside info' we get from the CM team is much appreciated. Banning them would be a immature thing to do.

However sometimes I have my doubts. about the credibility of their reports. e.g. in the shock thread Scott announced that the 'shock' car was the concept of the forthcoming 6er GT and then later ENI claimed it was a 5 year old clay model. When I questioned the contradicting reports my post was deleted. This really pissed me off. I still haven't received a valid reason as to why my post was deleted. These kinds of 'clean up' jobs aggrevate me.

With regards to Eni, I appreciate how he sometimes goes into great detail to elaborate his posts, his input as a member is also immense but I would request him to swallow the condescending attitude which flourishes at times and and show a bit more respect for fellow members.

It's not a question of whether CM should be banished. To me it's more a matter of change in attitude and character.