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bmer · 10-22-2007, 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just_me

But we have reason to believe an M1 is in the works with a twin-turbo four-cylinder. It won’t necessarily have more horsepower than the 135i, but with sharper reactions and a lighter body and engine, the M1 would clearly be king of the compact-car segment.

It might have sharper reactions and lighter body and it would propably be the king of compact car segment but I doubt everything said about the engine.

Nikos120i · 10-22-2007, 04:48 PM

How about a roadster 1er version? How about that Z2 that someone was talking about??

I think that a roadster 1er is coming...SCOTT27 am I anywhere remotely close?

EnI · 10-22-2007, 05:05 PM

Today's official press release by BMW (about Tokyo highlights) says nothing about any concept. Neither about X6 ActiveHybrid.

But ...

Since they've already confirmed X6 ActiveHybrid Tokyo appearence (in a previous PR) I assume a special PR on Tokyo BMW Concept highlights may be issued in the next days.

AdvEvo · 10-22-2007, 06:43 PM

I really really hope we get some special M version off the einser. After seeing some movies from the 135i on track i am not convinced. On track you can see the weight the car carries. And it isn t pushed hard already. I buy a smaller bmw because its nimbler carries less weight but i loose cabin space for it. No problem if i get a car that brings very good handling. But if i buy a smaller car loose cabin space and i still have a heavy car why buy a 1 series coupe then. 335i is only 40kg heavier. At 1350kg i would buy a 135i. Not at almost 1600kg.

martinbo · 10-23-2007, 03:51 AM

^ Couldn't agree more AdvEvo.

135i Coupé: It's an ugly little fat ass!

Give me a hotted up 3 door hatch any day.

Just_me · 10-23-2007, 04:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by martinbo

Give me a hotted up 3 door hatch any day.

AMEN!

ghusheshe · 10-23-2007, 04:08 AM

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...topanel..1 .*

Sorry AdEvo but Edmund's Inside Line does not agree after driving the car Quote " Search if you will, but you can take it from us; there is simply no more accomplished car for $30,000 than the 2009 BMW 135i." and this one "The 2009 BMW 135i cuts right to the heart of what a BMW is meant to be about. You can argue about its appearance and complain about packaging, but in just about every other respect, it delivers a unique and exhilarating driving experience, which is what matters most."

AdvEvo · 10-23-2007, 04:24 AM

nice journalists talk.

That s a guy talking who drives a 150hp fwd car on a daily basis from home to work. Yes of course he finds a 135i fantastic.

I have driven a lot of cars with horse power. And horse power is the first thing you get used too. A light weight good handling car brings the smile a lot longer on youre face believe me. I am fed up with the horse power wars between the manufactures.

Let bmw build a 3 doors hatch m version that would be perfect. I have a 130i myself now. It s almost perfect like i have it now.

It s just so easy for bmw to make something special from it by M.

A little wider wheel arches.
New M front and rear bumper.
Carbon roof.
Csl style seats
Limited slipp diff.
3.0 alu mag engine 265hp you can easy get 310hp from with some throttle bodies and a nice air intake. In a race class they have already 340hp from it.
light wheels.
Lighter engine hood.
130i is 1350kg now. If they could manage 1300 or lighter i would just be perfect.

then you have a winner.

Just_me · 10-23-2007, 04:30 AM

Ferrari F430 Scuderia weigh 1350 kg, thats impossible weight number for 135i, afterall 135i isnt meant for the track like the Scuderia.

1500kg, M version of 1er that I would like to see, below that is impossible unless its a CSL.

ghusheshe · 10-23-2007, 04:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdvEvo

nice journalists talk.

That s a guy talking who drives a 150hp fwd car on a daily basis from home to work. Yes of course he finds a 135i fantastic.

I have driven a lot of cars with horse power. And horse power is the first thing you get used too. A light weight good handling car brings the smile a lot longer on youre face believe me. I am fed up with the horse power wars between the manufactures.

Let bmw build a 3 doors hatch m version that would be perfect. I have a 130i myself now. It s almost perfect like i have it now.

It s just so easy for bmw to make something special from it by M.

A little wider wheel arches.
New M front and rear bumper.
Carbon roof.
Csl style seats
Limited slipp diff.
3.0 alu mag engine 265hp you can easy get 310hp from with some throttle bodies and a nice air intake. In a race class they have already 340hp from it.
light wheels.
Lighter engine hood.
130i is 1350kg now. If they could manage 1300 or lighter i would just be perfect.

then you have a winner.

Agree, but remember the 135 was never meant to be an M car, i.e. light, carbon fiber roof, wider wheel arches etc. As it is, I think its more than sufficient for its purposes. Also have a M sport 130i and would love a real M version of that hatch…

AdvEvo · 10-23-2007, 06:09 AM

Yes that would be perfect

135i coupe 306 hp turbo or a hatch 310hp atmo M version.

dr Dunkel · 10-23-2007, 05:06 PM

Found at 1addicts.com!

Based on the new BMW 1 Series Coupé being presented to the world public for the first time at the Tokyo Motor Show 2007, this fascinating design study is the consistent evolution of BMW’s compact two-door with a clear focus on uncompromising sportiness. With its aerodynamically optimised body, a wide range of lightweight features serving to minimise the weight of the car and its axle load distribution, as well as an interior tailored specifically to the ambitious driver, this concept study clearly offers a high level of driving dynamics right from the start.

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1935

bmer · 10-23-2007, 05:15 PM

Whoa, that's almost like M1/M2 CSL Concept! Interesting details like pedals from the Z4 Coupe Concept, special kidneys and a white(!) rev dial. Thanks, Dunkel!

vabboud · 10-23-2007, 05:29 PM

and tii badges on the dash
plus its definitely a turbo because the redline starts at "only" 6500 rpm or so

bmer · 10-23-2007, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vabboud

and tii badges on the dash
plus its definitely a turbo because the redline starts at "only" 6500 rpm or so

Yup, 7000.

It also has blue brake pads:

RikfromBelgium · 10-23-2007, 05:39 PM

that looks bloody stunning, love the new front intakes

vabboud · 10-23-2007, 05:40 PM

well my eyes fooled me a bit on this one
but now the marketing strategy is a lot clearer
the M1 name is forever engraved and bolted to BMW's only (and hopefully not last) supercar
and thus cannot suit a small car even if point for point this "M1" will outmatch the older one
instead the focus is on drawing close paralells to the 2002 by reviving and enhacing the demonic sounding tii badge that made its halmark in the 2002 turbo of daddy's days
which makes sense to offer a non M tweaked turbo version of the current turbo 6 as a tii and keep development costs down, instead of having to develop a new atmo staright 6, given that the new Z4 will surely get the M3 V8
essentially capping the M family between the 3 and 6 variants

coolraoul · 10-23-2007, 05:41 PM

Wow, the Tii badge is such a good idea...
A 135 tii is a better idea than a M1 or 135 iM...

Reminds of the 2002 tii... Too bad the 1er Coupe manages to look worse than the 1er 3/5 doors..., with a front that does not go with the rear...

But it could be an ultimate BMW!!!

EnI · 10-23-2007, 06:17 PM

A big secret: the HP number.

Even bigger secret: the weight figures.

The biggest secret: when the production version will be launched & by what price.

AdvEvo · 10-23-2007, 06:19 PM

Let s just hope an mechanical limited slip diff is there.

Wil the engine be a 4cil turbo or a 6 turbo. For the weight a 4cil turbo would be even better.

very very nice car. If the weight is much lower than the 135i and has an lsd off factory i am sold now lets hope the price is not to high.

EnI · 10-23-2007, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdvEvo

Let s just hope an mechanical limited slip diff is there.

What about DPC electro-mech active diff?

Sunny · 10-23-2007, 06:29 PM

yup, they definitely hit it the head with the name. I am not sold on the paint job - but hopefully that is just a concept thing. Love the fact that they are using CF hood. Now we need some numbers.

SCOTT27 · 10-23-2007, 06:32 PM

Welcome to "1ntensified Performance Orientation"

The Concept is appropriate for Tokyo because the meaning is like a Suduko or Karakuru puzzle . A real brainteaser what do you think of when you see this car? What letter do you have in your head when you see this car ? what is the missing letter?

The 135i tii is just the beginning of two more performance 1er Coupe models.
that will cater for all tastes.

We will be having a pre Tokyo show event with the standard 1er Coupe models , This concept and the 1er cabrio tonight. although the Cabrio will remain hidden until the NAIS in January.

SCOTT27 · 10-23-2007, 06:52 PM

"1ntensified Performance Orientation"

AdvEvo · 10-23-2007, 07:01 PM

Scott does that means we get an M version of the one. Or will it stay tii.

Will M go turbo on this one. Or do we get newly developed straight six.

2002tii was a 4 cil turbo. 300hp 4 cil turbo would not be bad route either.

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10-22-2007, 05:05 PM	#28
EnI Contributor Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 9,021 Thanks: 274 Thanked 4,988 Times in 2,231 Posts	Re: "1ntensified Performance Orientation" Today's official press release by BMW (about Tokyo highlights) says nothing about any concept. Neither about X6 ActiveHybrid. But ... Since they've already confirmed X6 ActiveHybrid Tokyo appearence (in a previous PR) I assume a special PR on Tokyo BMW Concept highlights may be issued in the next days.

10-22-2007, 06:43 PM	#29
AdvEvo Enthusiast Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 392 Thanks: 9 Thanked 170 Times in 74 Posts	Re: "1ntensified Performance Orientation" I really really hope we get some special M version off the einser. After seeing some movies from the 135i on track i am not convinced. On track you can see the weight the car carries. And it isn t pushed hard already. I buy a smaller bmw because its nimbler carries less weight but i loose cabin space for it. No problem if i get a car that brings very good handling. But if i buy a smaller car loose cabin space and i still have a heavy car why buy a 1 series coupe then. 335i is only 40kg heavier. At 1350kg i would buy a 135i. Not at almost 1600kg.

10-23-2007, 03:51 AM	#30
martinbo Global Moderator Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Johannesburg Garage: MY09 Forester XT MY09 WRX Posts: 5,017 Thanks: 2,469 Thanked 3,773 Times in 1,668 Posts	Re: "1ntensified Performance Orientation" ^ Couldn't agree more AdvEvo. 135i Coupé: It's an ugly little fat ass! Give me a hotted up 3 door hatch any day. __________________ If it has a Boxer Engine then it must be Fabulous!

10-23-2007, 04:08 AM	#32
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10-23-2007, 04:24 AM	#33
AdvEvo Enthusiast Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 392 Thanks: 9 Thanked 170 Times in 74 Posts	Re: "1ntensified Performance Orientation" nice journalists talk. That s a guy talking who drives a 150hp fwd car on a daily basis from home to work. Yes of course he finds a 135i fantastic. I have driven a lot of cars with horse power. And horse power is the first thing you get used too. A light weight good handling car brings the smile a lot longer on youre face believe me. I am fed up with the horse power wars between the manufactures. Let bmw build a 3 doors hatch m version that would be perfect. I have a 130i myself now. It s almost perfect like i have it now. It s just so easy for bmw to make something special from it by M. A little wider wheel arches. New M front and rear bumper. Carbon roof. Csl style seats Limited slipp diff. 3.0 alu mag engine 265hp you can easy get 310hp from with some throttle bodies and a nice air intake. In a race class they have already 340hp from it. light wheels. Lighter engine hood. 130i is 1350kg now. If they could manage 1300 or lighter i would just be perfect. then you have a winner.

10-23-2007, 04:30 AM	#34
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10-23-2007, 06:09 AM	#36
AdvEvo Enthusiast Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 392 Thanks: 9 Thanked 170 Times in 74 Posts	Re: "1ntensified Performance Orientation" Yes that would be perfect 135i coupe 306 hp turbo or a hatch 310hp atmo M version.

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10-23-2007, 05:15 PM	#38
bmer Connoisseur Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 6,288 Thanks: 7,352 Thanked 2,646 Times in 1,472 Posts	Re: "1ntensified Performance Orientation" Whoa, that's almost like M1/M2 CSL Concept! Interesting details like pedals from the Z4 Coupe Concept, special kidneys and a white(!) rev dial. Thanks, Dunkel!

10-23-2007, 05:29 PM	#39
vabboud Advocate Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 944 Thanks: 115 Thanked 223 Times in 142 Posts	Re: "1ntensified Performance Orientation" and tii badges on the dash plus its definitely a turbo because the redline starts at "only" 6500 rpm or so

10-23-2007, 05:39 PM	#41
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10-23-2007, 05:40 PM	#42
vabboud Advocate Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 944 Thanks: 115 Thanked 223 Times in 142 Posts	Re: "1ntensified Performance Orientation" well my eyes fooled me a bit on this one but now the marketing strategy is a lot clearer the M1 name is forever engraved and bolted to BMW's only (and hopefully not last) supercar and thus cannot suit a small car even if point for point this "M1" will outmatch the older one instead the focus is on drawing close paralells to the 2002 by reviving and enhacing the demonic sounding tii badge that made its halmark in the 2002 turbo of daddy's days which makes sense to offer a non M tweaked turbo version of the current turbo 6 as a tii and keep development costs down, instead of having to develop a new atmo staright 6, given that the new Z4 will surely get the M3 V8 essentially capping the M family between the 3 and 6 variants

10-23-2007, 05:41 PM	#43
coolraoul Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: A French in Bucharest Garage: 1974 Mercedes-Benz 450 SLC Posts: 4,231 Thanks: 1,753 Thanked 2,074 Times in 1,170 Posts	Re: "1ntensified Performance Orientation" Wow, the Tii badge is such a good idea... A 135 tii is a better idea than a M1 or 135 iM... Reminds of the 2002 tii... Too bad the 1er Coupe manages to look worse than the 1er 3/5 doors..., with a front that does not go with the rear... But it could be an ultimate BMW!!!

10-23-2007, 06:17 PM	#44
EnI Contributor Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 9,021 Thanks: 274 Thanked 4,988 Times in 2,231 Posts	Re: "1ntensified Performance Orientation" A big secret: the HP number. Even bigger secret: the weight figures. The biggest secret: when the production version will be launched & by what price.

10-23-2007, 06:19 PM	#45
AdvEvo Enthusiast Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 392 Thanks: 9 Thanked 170 Times in 74 Posts	Re: "1ntensified Performance Orientation" Let s just hope an mechanical limited slip diff is there. Wil the engine be a 4cil turbo or a 6 turbo. For the weight a 4cil turbo would be even better. very very nice car. If the weight is much lower than the 135i and has an lsd off factory i am sold now lets hope the price is not to high.

10-23-2007, 06:29 PM	#47
Sunny Journeyman Join Date: Jun 2006 Garage: E36 M3 VW Jetta Subaru Legacy GT Posts: 4,100 Thanks: 3,302 Thanked 1,675 Times in 977 Posts	Re: "1ntensified Performance Orientation" yup, they definitely hit it the head with the name. I am not sold on the paint job - but hopefully that is just a concept thing. Love the fact that they are using CF hood. Now we need some numbers.

10-23-2007, 06:32 PM	#48
SCOTT27 Contributor Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,411 Thanks: 5 Thanked 3,675 Times in 1,049 Posts	Re: "1ntensified Performance Orientation" Welcome to "1ntensified Performance Orientation" The Concept is appropriate for Tokyo because the meaning is like a Suduko or Karakuru puzzle . A real brainteaser what do you think of when you see this car? What letter do you have in your head when you see this car ? what is the missing letter? The 135i tii is just the beginning of two more performance 1er Coupe models. that will cater for all tastes. We will be having a pre Tokyo show event with the standard 1er Coupe models , This concept and the 1er cabrio tonight. although the Cabrio will remain hidden until the NAIS in January.

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10-23-2007, 07:01 PM	#50
AdvEvo Enthusiast Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 392 Thanks: 9 Thanked 170 Times in 74 Posts	Re: "1ntensified Performance Orientation" Scott does that means we get an M version of the one. Or will it stay tii. Will M go turbo on this one. Or do we get newly developed straight six. 2002tii was a 4 cil turbo. 300hp 4 cil turbo would not be bad route either.

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