AMG M157 Bi-Turbo V8!

[GTA45E]

A system crash deleted my first thread so I`m creating another one.

Lets dedicate this thread to the upcoming AMG M157 Bi-Turbo V8 with rumers or any info you can find about this engine. Not only the M157 but any other future AMG engines


Two articles say the M157 will have 600hp and 800nm (590lb-ft of torque)



1.http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/news/auto_und_produkte/amg_v8_510_ps_fuer_ml_und_co.86810.htm


2. http://www.autorevue.cz/Bleskovky/AR.asp?ARI=5942

 

[GTA45E]

These articles were released on a 6months period time.


This is the latest news on the S63 AMG It says the S63 will use the Bi-Turbo M157 V8. 571hp and 590lb-ft! 800nm

The other two articles say the S63 will use the M156 n/a V8. But seeing that Alpina is bringing the B7 to the US and maby other countries I would think MB
would up the ante with more power and torque with this upcoming model.

S63 article: http://translate.google.com/transla...search?q=AMG+M157+Bi-Turbo+V826hl=en&lr=&sa=G

 

[Merc1]

This is the latest news on the S63 AMG It says the S63 will use the Bi-Turbo M157 V8. 571hp and 590lb-ft! 800nm

I'd say that this is correct. A heavier car like the S63, CL63 and SL63 need this new turbo V8 because the naturally aspirated version of the new 6.3L V8 doesn't have the torque to move these cars like the old supercharged 5.5L did. Makes sense to me.

M

 

[Vivaki]

The turbochanrged versions will come but for now its naturally aspirated.

 

[Merc1]

I saw in another post you stated that the S63 will come with a naturally aspirated engine and then a turbo engine later? That doesn't make sense to me if I read that right. I think that if they were going for n/a engines in the S/SL they would have debuted them already since the SL just got a FL and the S is brand new.

M

 

[Vivaki]

I saw in another post you stated that the S63 will come with a naturally aspirated engine and then a turbo engine later? That doesn't make sense to me if I read that right. I think that if they were going for n/a engines in the S/SL they would have debuted them already since the SL just got a FL and the S is brand new.

M

What I said in that post was what I think will happen in the AMG line up. I did have another post in the other thread (AMG strategy thread) that got deleted because of the problem on GCF the other day.

What I was saying was that I dont know what the power figures will be but it will be naturally aspirated. The CLS63 had what a 4ps power increase from 510 to 514...the S63 might be pushed to produce I dont know...say...521ps...but from what I know so far it will be naturally aspirated.

 

[GTA45E]

What I was saying was that I dont know what the power figures will be but it will be naturally aspirated. The CLS63 had what a 4ps power increase from 510 to 514...the S63 might be pushed to produce I dont know...say...521ps...but from what I know so far it will be naturally aspirated.

Vivaki, do you have any ferther info (maby later than the articles I posted) that says the S63 will get the M156 n/a
V8? I know one thing is for sure, the SL55 (and S55s) hp never exceeded the
S600s hp and torque figures (even with the powerboosted SL) it`s equal to the S600`s. The S600 was always the Daddy of the HP and torque figures in MBs lineup. That might change with the S63. I`m not saying it will but it just might!!

Remember, the S65 AMG is the Father of them all now so the S63 might be the new step between the S65 and S600 in it`s power and torque.

 

[Vivaki]

Vivaki, do you have any ferther info (maby later than the articles I posted) that says the S63 will get the M156 n/a
V8? I know one thing is for sure, the SL55 (and S55s) hp never exceeded the
S600s hp and torque figures (even with the powerboosted SL) it`s equal to the S600`s. The S600 was always the Daddy of the HP and torque figures in MBs lineup. That might change with the S63. I`m not saying it will but it just might!!

Remember, the S65 AMG is the Father of them all now so the S63 might be the new step between the S65 and S600 in it`s power and torque.

That 521ps figure was just a random number I used. The S63 AMG is still about one year away. Plans could change but from what someone has told me the S63 AMG engine will be NA. No articles sorry.

 

[Merc1]

Ok, we'll see. I don't see that happening because of the hp wouldn't increase enough and the torque would be much, much less. Having a n/a V8 and a turbo one is no different from the current 5.5L V8 in various AMG cars. The only difference this time is that they'll have more n/a models because of the n/a motor's greater output.

M

 

[GTA45E]

Ok, we'll see. I don't see that happening because of the hp wouldn't increase enough and the torque would be much, much less. Having a n/a V8 and a turbo one is no different from the current 5.5L V8 in various AMG cars. The only difference this time is that they'll have more n/a models because of the n/a motor's greater output.

M

If I`m not mistaken the AMG tuners achieved 580hp with this CLK-DTM equiped with the same n/a M156 engine because of it special exhaust. Torque didn`t change though.

There is no question that the S63 will have more HP than the S600 because MB likes to play power numbers with engine size. If thay do go with the n/a M156 V8 the torque will indeed be "weak" compared to the hp.
The G7 cannot more than 542lb-ft so I would`n expect any more turque than the CLKs` 465lb-ft.

Now if thay decided to go with the M157 thay would have to develope a new
tranny to handle that predicted 590lb-ft torque or use the old 5-speed which would seem outdated imo.

 

[Merc1]

Yeah I forgot about that state of tune they had for the CLK DTM and I'm the one that used to remind folks that the new AMG V8 was capable of 580 naturally aspirated hp!!!

I still think the heavier cars need more torque than hp, but a 580hp version of that engine would be nice in something I supposed. Maybe the E/CLS 63 models should have had a 550hp version? I wonder if the SLR will get this new V8?

M

 

[GTA45E]

I wonder if the SLR will get this new V8?

M

The Kompressor V8 in the SLR is supposed to get a powerboost.


I have three questiions with the S63 getting the N/A V8.


1.If the S63 is going to get the M156 n/a V8 how come it didn`t debut with the CLS63 and CLK 63.


2. Why do we have to wait almost a year to get a supposed 15 to 20hp in an engine that already exists.



3. Why is the M157 Bi-Turbo predicted to debut January 2007, in what model
It can`t be the SLR, as I said before the SLR is predicted to get a power boost, so MoterTrend says.

 

[Merc1]

The Kompressor V8 in the SLR is supposed to get a powerboost.


I have three questiions with the S63 getting the N/A V8.


1.If the S63 is going to get the M156 n/a V8 how come it didn`t debut with the CLS63 and CLK 63.


2. Why do we have to wait almost a year to get a supposed 15 to 20hp in an engine that already exists.



3. Why is the M157 Bi-Turbo predicted to debut January 2007, in what model
It can`t be the SLR, as I said before the SLR is predicted to get a power boost, so MoterTrend says.

1. It isn't going to be n/a in the S63. It won't have the power needed to improve performance over the SC S55.

2. We're waiting because the turbo V8 will have at least 50 more hp than the n/a unit.

3. Motor Trend is speculating just like all of us are.

I'll add one more speculation to list. Mercedes produced the CLS55 for just one year with the 5.5L SC V8 before showing the CLS63. The S65 debuted early for that same reason. For 2008 it wil get a boost to likely 650hp to make room for the 560-570hp turbo V8 for the SL/CL/S "63" models.

Mark my works on this!

M

 

[Zafiro]

Do you guys think E63/CLS63 were presented so soon with 514hp because of M5 and M6 having more HP than E55?

 

[GTA45E]

Do you guys think E63/CLS63 were presented so soon with 514hp because of M5 and M6 having more HP than E55?

Yes, I believe that. MB likes to stay ahead in the powergame so this shouldn`t be a surprise. I`m wondering when this horsepower war will end though. it`s a real WAR going on between the German makes!!



If this power war keeps up within 20 years these cars will be pushing 700hp from their new 7.5liter Bi-Turbo AMG V8s! while the C-Class pushing more that 550hp from the same 7.5liter V8s in n/a of course. By then AMG will have a more free hand in overall tuning like the CLK-DTM with the AMG models

By then we might have a S85 AMG pushing about 850hp from it`s 8.4liter Bi-Turbo V12!

 

[Zafiro]

. I`m wondering when this horsepower war will end though. it`s a real WAR going on between the German makes!!

By then we might have a S85 AMG pushing about 850hp from it`s 8.4liter Bi-Turbo V12!

if its really a "war" dont you think the M5/M6 would get a powerboost very soon? I dont think its going to happen so Im not sure its a "war"


Unless they dont improve the roads and raise the speedlimit and teach people how to drive a 850hp car, then it seem to be very pointless car imo.

 

[GTA45E]

if its really a "war" dont you think the M5/M6 would get a powerboost very soon? I dont think its going to happen so Im not sure its a "war"


Unless they dont improve the roads and raise the speedlimit and teach people how to drive a 850hp car, then it seem to be very pointless car imo.

Don`t you know the BMW M5 pattern by now?! BMW M division likes to play this game a little differently than Mercedes!

While MB keeps coming at you with even larger V8s (as I predect) BMW adds two more cylinders and 100hp with every generation M5. So expect the
next generation M5 to have a 5.5liter V12 with about 580-600hp. It will happen, just watch.

 

[Lemantech]

Don`t you know the BMW M5 pattern by now?! BMW M division likes to play this game a little differently than Mercedes!

While keeps coming at you with even larger V8s (as I predect) BMW adds two more cylinders and 100hp with every generation M5. So expect the
next generation M5 to have a 5.5liter V12 with about 580-600hp. It will happen, just watch.

i think you are right it does seem like they add 2 cylinders and 100 more hp for every gen. but i doubt it will have 600 or more hp......580 sounds resonable though

 

[Zafiro]

Don`t you know the BMW M5 pattern by now?! BMW M division likes to play this game a little differently than Mercedes!

While keeps coming at you with even larger V8s (as I predect) BMW adds two more cylinders and 100hp with every generation M5. So expect the
next generation M5 to have a 5.5liter V12 with about 580-600hp. It will happen, just watch.

Adding a V12 will just make the car front heavy. I dont think it gets a V12, instead they are going to enlarge the displacement. M6 CSL is getting a 5.5 liter and 550hp if the rumours are correct. The V10 is here to stay.
When I said that BMW will give the M5 more horsepowers then I didnt mean next generation, Im talking about the current one, E60.

BTW Remember that E36 and E46 M3 both had I6 engines. E36 M3 had 321hp and E46 M3 343hp, not 100hp difference.

 

[GTA45E]

Adding a V12 will just make the car front heavy. I dont think it gets a V12, instead they are going to enlarge the displacement. M6 CSL is getting a 5.5 liter and 550hp if the rumours are correct. The V10 is here to stay.
When I said that BMW will give the M5 more horsepowers then I didnt mean next generation, Im talking about the current one, E60.

BTW Remember that E36 and E46 M3 both had I6 engines. E36 M3 had 321hp and E46 M3 343hp, not 100hp difference.

Oh, I thought you were talking about the next generation model. I don`t believe BMW will modifiy the currant model`s engine size to 5.5liters.
As I said before that would make the value of the currant model drop like a rock, heck, we just got the currant model here in the US! no modifications or increases in power.

The next generation models will get V12s, I`d be willing to bet on that.

As far as the 100hp increase I was talking about the M5 not M3.