German Car Forum

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/d...t_wertung_cars

3er won....

I read that Accord is very unstabile....I g2g, later.

It's not strange that 3 series won although Passat surely gives E90 a run for the money. I 'm also surprised to see C class on the second place since it's usually behind A4.

I think I have found a new lust object.

M

Nothing to add, these pics say all.

Wow man first time in life i found the 3ers interior attractive.. its amazing how much color combos can do for a interior.. super nice..

PS
It would be even more perfect with black piano wood

I like the 159 but it has too major disadvantages:
1-It's an Alfa Romeo whatever that means for reliability and quality
2-The capabilities of the car are far inferior to the car's design. The reviews are very bad from many magazines like AM&S.

God, where is the S60? why do car people forget the S60, but remember to test the 9-3? BTW, good for BMW to win that supertest

The S60 is a good car but doesn't bring anything special to the table. Even if it was in the test it would have got beaten. It is not as sporty as the 3er and A4, the S60 is more of a comfortable long distance cruiser.

Don't mess with BMW diesels... that is definitely the best "bottom of the line" BMW you can get. It's absolutely brilliant. One tank of diesel = 1000km.

Too bad they didn't have any upgrade for the rims. those 16' are cheap.

if S60 is not sporty then what is Avensis ???

also what about Mondeo, and 407 and Vectra?

Don't you like it?
*trying to find a good photo if it*

here's the pic:

I don't have a problem with it. My friend has one and we ride in it everyday and I have driven it myself but it simply doesn't suit me. The suspension is too soft, the pedals feel too numb and lack feedback and worst of all is the streering which is far from precis. I'm not saying that it's a bad car but it simply doesn't suit me.

If VW Jetta participated in this test perhaps it would had taken the first place:

http://www.germancarforum.com/internal-combustion/784-am-s-vw-jetta-2-0-fsi-vs-bmw-320i.html

Im not suprised the BMW won...its my favorite car in its class.im kinda dissappointed with the B7 A4 but i like the S4 and RS 4.

The 159 looks good from the front, and also the interior - but the rear looks a bit odd and weak for my liking.



As for the Jetta, well, I don't think you can translate the result of a different test with different criteria on to this one. It could do competently, but I highly doubt first place.

And where does it say that the Honda Accord is unstable?

Well, what's to say:
BMW leads the way, others just follow the propelar, whitch has has nothing to prove, cause it's progress trough technology. So in conclusion follow your own propelar, 3er.
LMAO

Yeah I don't doubt that but look at the thing. I think if I had money like that I'd have my Mercedes/Audi for business and something a little more "special" like an Alfa. The car can't be but so bad or can it?

M

Dude, I don't know.
Once upon of time Alfa was like Ferrari/Porsche today. The way it falled from grace was incredible.

When you say their fall from grace are you talking about their status/prestige compared to Ferrari/Porsche or their quality/reliability? I suspect you meant their position on the automotive totem pole. Yes it was a more legendary brand way back when compared to now.

Still though there is something suductive about Alfas (Italian cars in general) that German cars have rarely (if ever) been able to duplicate.

I'll say one thing being here in the U.S. our choices are so limited because in Europe you have the greatest collection of diverse carmakers possible. British, German, French (an aquired tatste), and Italian. You guys are lucky.

M

Both.


Maybe those cars made before WW II like the 8Cs or Alfeta or 6C 2500 SS.
Alfa Romeo was back then for a while a pain in the neck for the germans.
That's why for me the 1939 Tripoli victory of MBs W165 and BMWs 1940 Mille Miglia victory of the 328, are the IMO the greatest german motorsport succeses. The german victories were so crushing, that it was like the ultimate
message "don't F*** with german uber cars".
That was the begining of Alfas fall from grace. Still after WW II, AR were succesfull once again, winning the first Formula 1 seasons. Car were still good
since the 60s, but their prestige was fading. Ever since the 70s it all went down.

Maybe the AWD models that will be pesented soon will be better i don't know but still no quite up there in any aspect.

Well the history part is fun to read about and I'd agree there. I guess on how bad Alfas are I'd have to take you guys word for it because there hasn't been an Alfa sold in the U.S. since 1994 and at the time they were crappily built, but gorgeous cars. I was particular fond of the Milano.

I still would like to have one though if just for the style of it.

M

Facelifted C-Class is truly amazing. The difference between the facelifted W203 and original W203 is more than just night and day. MB really made the C-Class a superior performer. I would go as far to say that the C-Class has now become more sportier than comfortable.