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Old 10-17-2006, 11:19 PM   #1
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Car and Driver: The Lightning Lap

Car and Driver is trying to come with the own version of the Sport Auto test. They are calling it the lightning lap.




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Ford GT – 3:00.7/83.7
Chevy Corvette Z06 – 3:01.1/83.5
Dodge Viper SRT10 – 3:01.6/83.3
Lotus Elise – 3:09.2/79.9
Chevy Corvette – 3:09.3/79.9
Porsche Cayman S – 3:09.5/79.8
BMW M6 – 3:10.0/79.6
Ford Shelby GT500 - 3:11.0/79.2
Nissan 350Z Track – 3:12.5/78.5
Mitsubishi Evo MR – 3:13./78.1
Dodge Charger SRT8 – 3:18.2/76.3
Mazda RX-8 – 3:19.0/76.0
Chevy Colbalt SS – 3:20.6/75.4
Ford Mustang GT – 3:20.9/75.3
Volkswagen GTI – 3:25.1/73.7
Honda Civic Si – 3:26.1/73.2
Mazda MX-5 – 3:29.3/72.2
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Old 10-18-2006, 12:01 AM   #2
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Re: Car and Driver: The Lightning Lap

How the hell did the Viper, Elise, Caymen and Vette beat the M6??? They probably forgot to push the power button... Im starting to think C&D reviews are bull sh*#. It should have been like this. Z06, Ford GT, M6, SRT10, Vette, Elise, then Caymen.
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Old 10-18-2006, 12:26 AM   #3
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Re: Car and Driver: The Lightning Lap

Thanks for the post Karma deserved.

I'm dissapointed with the M6's time, it should have easily beaten the Cayman, it certaintly has in other tests.
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Old 10-18-2006, 12:55 AM   #4
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Re: Car and Driver: The Lightning Lap

I think for M6 they forgot to push the power button, but there is no way the M6 could ever take an SRT-10 Coupe on the track.
I've noticed that the SRT-10 is american comparisons always gets numbers very close to the ZO6 and GT
On secound tought maybe and most certainly it's because they use the SRT-10 Coupe not the SRT-10 Roadster.
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Re: Car and Driver: The Lightning Lap

its probably unlikely the M6 would outgun the SRT 10 however:

SportAuto, Nόrburgring (Nordschleife):
BMW M6 -------------------------------------------------- 8.09 min
Viper SRT-10 --------------------------------------------- 8.13 min

Hockenheim
BMW M6 -------------------------------------------------- 1.14,4 min
Viper SRT-10 --------------------------------------------- 1.14,9 min


0-200km/h
BMW M6..............................................12 ,8
Viper SRT-10...................................14.0

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130 km/h - BMW M6
127 km/h - Dodge Viper SRT-10

although i was looking at it and they did use the roadster but still....
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Re: Car and Driver: The Lightning Lap

Are they using the same driver?
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Re: Car and Driver: The Lightning Lap

Best question so far....
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Re: Car and Driver: The Lightning Lap

I kinda like the 350Z, you can buy a used one here in Sweden for a good price. Might be a car for me in the future
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Re: Car and Driver: The Lightning Lap

From the rules listed on page 3

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The were four drivers...each man was assigned to drive four or five cars. The driver cycled through the cars running a session of three to five laps in each...the drivers cycled through the cars a second time. The lap times on page 70 are the best each car produced that day.
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The lap times on page 70 are the best each car produced that day.
with different drivers then. If they wan tto be like sportuato they choose one driver.
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Re: Car and Driver: The Lightning Lap

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I kinda like the 350Z, you can buy a used one here in Sweden for a good price. Might be a car for me in the future

very much like it too...best performance / handling / looking car for the price...
and a great heritage too !! 300ZX, 240Z...

here is the GT-S Concept version

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Re: Car and Driver: The Lightning Lap

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From the rules listed on page 3
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with different drivers then. If they wan tto be like sportuato they choose one driver.
I agree that this test won't replace the Sport Auto test for being the ultimate test.

Car and Driver did say that the M6 was a sweatheart to drive but wasn't that quick due to it weight. They did give kudos to the SMG. They normally haven't like the SMG but said it worked great for the track.

I think part of the problem for the M6 in this test is that the Virginia Internation Raceway, which is about 75 miles from my house, is more of a handling track than a speed track. There isn't a lot of places to get a lot of speed where a horsepower advantage can offset a handling disadvantage. The cars that have less power than the M6 but beat the M6 are great handling cars. For instance in sector 2 the M6 has the 4th highest entry speed but is way down on the exit speed. The Lotus Elise's entry speed is about 7 mph slower than the M6 but is it's exit speed is 8 seconds faster.
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Hockenheim
BMW M6 -------------------------------------------------- 1.14,4 min
Viper SRT-10 --------------------------------------------- 1.14,9 min

FYI, the best test for the SRT-10 on the Hockenhei,, is 1:13.7, it was in an updated test with a proper European Viper rather than the imported one first used in the Sport Auto supertest.
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Re: Car and Driver: The Lightning Lap

Great thread, thanks!
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Re: Car and Driver: The Lightning Lap

this test is bullshit, 10 secs gap between M5 and the fastest car on such a short track
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