German Car Forum

I have been wondering what these new set of supercars are going to do around the ring. Despite the big diffrences, they all have similar power and similar transmission. So place your bets. This is about what sportauto achieves in the supertest with HVS as the driver. So no, "oh, xyz company claims 6 mins flat with abc driver".

Here are the basic stats we know:

Mercedes SLS:
Power: 563 hp at 6800 rpm
Torque: 650 N·m (480 lb·ft) at 4750 rpm
Weight: 3571.48 lb (1620 kg)


Ferrari 458 Italia:
Power: 560 hp at 9000 rpm
Torque: 540 N·m (400 lb·ft) at 6000 rpm
Weight: 3042lb (1308kg)



McLaren MP4/12C
Power: 600 hp
Torque: 422 lb·ft (572 N·m)
Weight: ?


Some times by other cars for comparison:

Carrera GT: 7:32
Zonda F: 7:33
997 GT2: 7:33
ZR1: 7:38
GTR: 7:38
F430 Scuderia: 7:39
997 GT3 Mk2: 7:40
R8 V10: 7:44
SL65 BS: 7:51

Here are my initial guess:

MP4-12C: 7:30 (I would have gone lower, but I don't see them testing much around the ring).

F458: 7:35 (again I would have gone lower, but Ferrai never tests around the ring like the Germans, so I doubt the suspension is setup for it).

SLS: 7:40 (I am guessing it should be at least be faster than R8 V10).

^I'll only hope you're right - i want to see them trashed by Macca...

7:40 sls
7:22 458
7:19 mp4

Mclaren F1 -- Mclaren F1 team - The name Mclaren is synonymous with performance. I'd be damned if the MP24-12C doesn't set unrivalled benchmarks in performance. Mclaren didn't waste time with lacklustre teasers and their approach seem to be were serious with no non-sense.

MP4-12C: 7.24min
F458: 7.32min(The Scuderia version coming later shall be more brutal)
SLS AMG: 7.49(Refreshing car but will sadly be a laggard)

SLS: 7.45 min
458: 7.32 min
Mclaren: 7.29 min

SLS : around 7:40s (official time)

458 : around 7:30s

MP4-12C : around 7:20s

McLaren will be the fastest both in a straight line and on a track, that´s for sure.

BTW, Italia has 570hp/578PS (most mags get it wrong, 425kW is 570hp/578ps, it has more than SLS -420kW) and Mclaren has 600Nm.

Mp4: 7:30
458: 7:35
sls: 7:40

These indications feels very much in line with my expextations...

Mp4-12c = 7:25
F458 = 7:30
SLS = 7:42

Awesome!

Give or take a second or two, that is where they could be. The developement is amazing!

Just cause it's not the fastest thing around the ring does not make it a laggard. The SLS's natural competitor is the R8.

True but it also rival the Italian and British exotics. At €170 the SLS is 70% more expensive than the R8 V8 and just neck and neck with V10 version in terms of pricing. It's a very expensive car.

And we shall see how it stacks up against the R8 V10.

is that 70% a typo?

As will all Benzes, and as was the case with the SLR, there will definitely be a compromise for the sake of everyday driveability and comfort. But initial reports have said the way this car drives is very special indeed, so don't write it off so soon. Track times aren't everything.

mp4 - 7:29
F 458 - 7:35
SLS - 7:41

based on what we know and what I have read on ferrarichat, the 458 is much heavier than a Scuderia (around the same as an F430, if not a bit more), and around their track isnt faster than a scuderia. so my guess for the F458 is a time of 7:38.

MB claims 7:40 for the SLS, I will take a stab that SportAuto does a 7:45.

we dont know the weight of the Mclaren, but ive heard its gonna be around the 2800ish range. this would make comparable to a Zonda F in terms of power to weight. my guess is a 7:27.

General specifications
Country of origin Germany
Numbers built N/A
Introduced 2010
Introduced at 2009 Frankfurt Motor Show

Engine
Configuration M159 90º V 8
Location Front, longitudinally mounted
Weight 206 kilo / 454.2 lbs
Construction aluminium block and head
Displacement 6.208 liter / 378.8 cu in
Bore / Stroke 102.2 mm (4 in) / 94.6 mm (3.7 in)
Compression 11.3:1
Valvetrain 4 valves / cylinder, DOHC
Fuel feed Fuel Injection
Aspiration Naturally Aspirated

Drivetrain
Chassis/body aluminium body panels over aluminium spaceframe
Front suspension double wishbones, anti-dive, coil springs, gas-pressurised shock absorbers, anti-roll bar
Rear suspension double wishbones, anti-dive and anti-squat, coil springs, gas-pressurised shock absorbers, anti-roll bar
Steering rack-and-pinion, power assisted
Brakes ventilated carbon ceramic discs, all-round
Gearbox AMG Dual Clutch 7 speed Automatic
Drive Rear wheel drive

Dimensions
Weight 1620 kilo / 3571.5 lbs
Length / Width / Height 4638 mm (182.6 in) / 1939 mm (76.3 in) / 1262 mm (49.7 in)
Wheelbase / Track (fr/r) 2680 mm (105.5 in) / 1682 mm (66.2 in) / 1653 mm (65.1 in)

Performance figures
Power 571 bhp / 426 KW @ 6800 rpm
Torque 650 Nm / 479 ft lbs @ 4750 rpm
BHP/Liter 92 bhp / liter
Power to weight 0.35 bhp / kg
Top Speed 318 km/h / 198 mph
0-60 mph 3.7 s



General specifications
Country of origin Great Britain
Numbers built N/A
Introduced 2011
Body design Frank Stephenson for McLaren Automotive

Engine
Configuration McLaren M838T 90º V 8
Location Mid, longitudinally mounted
Construction aluminium block and head
Displacement 3.8 liter / 231.9 cu in
Valvetrain 4 valves / cylinder, DOHC, VVT
Fuel feed Fuel Injection
Aspiration Twin Turbo

Drivetrain
Chassis/body carbon fibre monocoque
Gearbox Dual Clutch 7 speed Automatic
Drive Rear wheel drive

Dimensions
Weight 1300 kilo / 2866 lbs

Performance figures
Power 600 bhp / 448 KW
Torque 600 Nm / 443 ft lbs
BHP/Liter 158 bhp / liter
Power to weight 0.46 bhp / kg



General specifications
Country of origin Italy
Numbers built N/A
Introduced 2009
Body design Pininfarina

Engine
Configuration 90º V 8
Location Mid, longitudinally mounted
Construction aluminium block and head
Displacement 4.499 liter / 274.5 cu in
Compression 12.5:1
Valvetrain 4 valves / cylinder, DOHC
Fuel feed Direct Fuel Injection
Aspiration Naturally Aspirated

Drivetrain
Gearbox 7 speed Semi-Automatic
Drive Rear wheel drive

Dimensions
Weight 1380 kilo / 3042.4 lbs
Length / Width / Height 4527 mm (178.2 in) / 1937 mm (76.3 in) / 1213 mm (47.8 in)
Wheelbase / Track (fr/r) 2650 mm (104.3 in) / N/A / N/A

Performance figures
Power 570 bhp / 425 KW @ 9000 rpm
Torque 540 Nm / 398 ft lbs @ 6000 rpm
BHP/Liter 127 bhp / liter
Power to weight 0.41 bhp / kg
Top Speed 325 km/h / 202 mph
0-60 mph 3.3 s