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Apparently not far enough.


M

Yeah they sure have and turbos too. Can't say the same for everyone else.

M

far enough to not stop building turbos.

Who said that should stop because of a cooling problem? It is cheaper to fix the problem rather than stop building them and supply a different engine, that is common sense. Again you missed the point.


M

Most normal cars with turbo engines have heat soak issues if they are tracked on a hot day. BMW get tracked more, so the issues come to the fore more and BMW did the right thing by fixing it. Now if the new M engine suffers from heat issues that would be a bigger oversight on their part. All I see here is MB fan boys wanting to twist this to some how make out that BMW engines suck when the MB engines even AMG ones suffer from the same issue, except they have done nothing to fix it.

Not true at all at least not in my case. No MB fan here would ever say BMW engines suck and you know I certainly wouldn't so please stop with that nonsense. I openly admit BMW builds superior engines in some cases and configurations.

The difference and point here that BMW is going to get tracked more and BMW should know that.

I'm just amazed by some who throw up awards in relation to this. Now thats nonsense 101.


M

No, but sooner or later they will get it right.

If people think there are engines that never brokes (including MB engines) those are the ones living in denial. The intercooler pump on the supercharger (55 engines) is a common problem. I read about SL55 owners with this problem. Also there been oiling problems. So lets stop the nonsense that there is bulletproof engines out there. Its just an illusion if you think like this: "if you don't hear about it, then its all good".
BMW have their problems. Same goes for MB and Audi, at least in the past. Lets agree on that.

Right and current and new BMWs.


M

That is something that can't be pointed out enough.

I'm having a engine problem with my babybimmer. Its going to be fixed in April with a software update by BMW.
So again, I want to point out that I have never said BMW engines are perfect and I don't live in denial which frankly was hurtful to hear you say to me Marcus.

It's just rethoric, don't take it personal.

Well I'm not saying that X6 should limp on track with it first outing. But in actuality how many people are going to take there X6 on track? I bet that number is far less than people with 335. So, I do agree with you that they shouldn't limp so easily but I don't think they were really expecting people to take them on track, thus didn't test it that way.

Didn't mean for it to be "hurtful". I apologize for that. It just seems to me that when a problem crops up with a BMW we get the "Mercedes too" response. Or that it is impossible to accept/believe/acknowledge that Mercedes might for just this once be a little more advanced, trouble free or more experienced at something.


M

Wasn't the X6 tested at the 'ring like every other BMW? IMO if you're going to be build a sportier X5 (i.e the X6) some track work should be factored into that. This is BMW we're talking about not old rich guys in Mercedes S65 AMGs.

M

Isn't that the usual case?

Well, BMW builds great engines and there is always a lot of fuss once something goes wrong - maybe more than when something happens to other manufacturers. That may be the reason for the "Mercedes too" argument.

Haven't you heard? BMW is not about sporty cars, it is now about cars that are perceived as sporty.

Isn't what usually the case? Mercedes being more advanced than BMW? No. IMO they each have areas where they're stronger than each other.


M

I was referring to the troublefree experience and advanced technology. That is what I think the Mercedes image is all about.

Well, in my defense I was just responding to Tarek when he started to talk about MB engines.
Anyway, Im not going to argue about it anymore. Both MB and BMW have their ups and downs and neither of these carmakers are flawless.

Well u don't need a track to find out,the 600 cars as the most extreme "normal" cars to come out from Germany are tested pretty well enough by the press not to mention MB stringent procedure along with customer feedback.If there's something with it trust we;d know by now

Troublesome 55 engines? surely they are far more reliable than BMW's "first" attempts.

I think the 'ring testing was more for chasis/handling/suspension testing, not longevity of track prowess. But of course, I could be wrong. Since the X6 is already out, perhaps Scott or Eni can shed light on the 'ring program.

the c4s is used for the benchmark only. My god, the X6 looks insanely hot in the picture.

Yeah, I doubt you will ever have heat soaking issues in Germany.

I thought about that too, but I didn't want to say anything because I don't know what the 'ring is like temperature wise.