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I wouldn`t make judgements like that just yet!

You see the suspension in the CTS-V is taken from the Corvette ZR1.

GM

"Special algorithms in the control electronics create what GM says is the fastest-acting suspension in the world, capable of changing calibrations every millisecond. The MRC system works in combination with StabiliTrak yaw control, traction control, steering angle, brake pressure and other inputs.


>>2009 Cadillac CTS-V Ride Along: Inside the Tech Behind Caddy?s 190-MPH Wild-Child Sedan - Popular Mechanics


With a suspension like this the weight factor is already in check.
This is the reason the M3 doesn`t stand a chance. GM has added numerous features of the flame-throwing Corvette in the CTS-V. BMW is square in it aim!!

Are you being provocative or silly?

Based on one test with a non-functional M3?

Okay, so the M5 is still the King. Believe me, I'm happy as hell that the M5 is still the best because I absolutely love the M5. Without even blinking I'd choose the M5 here!!

But what I don't get is the lack of respect and appreciation for the CTS-V and GM in general. The fact that the CTS-V can run with the M5 in terms of laptimes is nothing to be laughed at or dismissed. All these excuses that the M5 will beat the CTS-V on a more twisty track is just immature denial. Not every track in the world is ultra twisty.. if anything the perfect track should be a mix of twist and straights..so I find it silly that some are putting down the Cadi' just because the track wasn't twisty enough. Yeah sure the M5 is still ahead in terms of driver involvements, luxury and all those other things which the M-Division do so damn well... but in terms of performance and laptimes, the CTS-V definitely holds it own.
Why are people still dismissing the CTS-V as a poser? Just think back 5 years ago at GM and you'd have every right to laugh at them. They were an embarrassment to the American heritage of performance vehicles.. but GM have definitely turned the corner, and lifted their game. Such a vast improvement should at a minimum be given respect.

The only reason I can find as to why people continue to dismiss GM and their new performance vehicles is simply brand bias, or an arrogant mindset against anything that isn't German/European.

Anyhoot...the CTS-V doesn't have to be the absolute best to get my respect. Just seeing how far it (and GM in general) have come is impressive enough for me. The M5's still easily my favourite performance sedan, and the CTS-V doesn't even come close to changing that...but then again, nothing ever has (except for maybe the Maserati Quattroporte Sports.. )

That, and the fact that we have still to see a car that is not just about as fast as the germans but also have all the rest of the things that make us love them.

I agree that credit is due but lets keep our pants on.

Doesnt matter if its chassi from ZR1, the weight is 1936 kg and its disadvantage, take the cars to tight track with no high speed corners and you will understand what I mean. Weight will also hurt the driving joy which is far more important than just a fast laptime.

and I want to clarify one thing, Im NOT talking about R&D M5 vs CTS article. I'm only discussing the other article, "Lightning track" article.

Exactly. The car might be fast, just like the RS6, but for most of us that is not enough.

+ its a track with many highspeed corners and long straightlines and that cars with horsepower has an advantage here. Even C&D says so.

Again, Im NOT discussing the M5 vs CTS article.

I for one respect CTS-V and everything they've achieved with that car. It's a damn good car, noone can deny it.

I second that

I don`t understand your point here. It might be your personal opinion anyways. The CTS-V might be heavier than the M3 but the suspension is def faster. What your saying is you`d take lighter car with the slower suspension design in a fun-factor situation. But how is that going to hold against the competition.


By the way here is a map if the Virginia International Raceway.

GTA, why are you comparing the CTS-V to M3? As far as I know in addition to having 130 hp more power (close to M5 power), it also is a lot closer to 5-series than 3-series in size.

Based on? The test with the broken M3 will obviously not do.