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1.6sec.. is a pretty fricken wide gap on the track though and I don`t believe the DCT tranny would help ( or beat) the CTS-V in this situation. Give credit where it is due. Both these cars are direst compeditors. The CTS-V might be the best performance 4-door car in the world now (and could be the fastest 4-door on earth). Who would have thought GM of North America would have come this far. We Americans now have something to brag about!

The only one the CTS-V now has to defeat now is the Audi RS6 sedan.. if it does this it might be the new King of track Performance!

^ohh and the upcomng E63 which will make sure Caddys party is very short lived

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Hopefully Artist..
It`s really looking like Cadillac has a winning formula here.
If the CTS-V beats the formidable M3 coupe than the M3 sedan is toast to.. Mercedes has yeat to beat BMW the M-Series at all on the track.. I don`t see where the E63 stands a chance..

Around a track, I somehow doubt that. But Panamera should and probably the next M5.

Exactly! Give credit where it's due. Bias overules respect for many on here.

Even if the M5 was able to match or beat the CTS-V by a tenth of a second, the fact that GM's created such a brilliant performing car speaks volumes. Who cares about a tenth or a hundreth of a second?? ... the Cadi can run with the BMW..and yes we know the M5 is 3yrs old, but there's no denying that the CTS-V is the complete package!!

Thumbs up to the guys at GM. First the Corvette.. now the CTS-V!! They've certainly changed my stereotype about American manufacturers. Respect achieved!!

Although I'll add that the M5 sure can how to hold its own! It still looks freakin' amazing eventhough it's been around for a few years now, and the fact that it can still run with its latest competitors shows what an awesome piece of machinery the M5 is. I'd take the M5 here, but as stated, the Cadi's earnt my full respect.

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Aman Bro!

Agreed, the Caddy has done what the Z06 did a couple of years ago; bring America up to pace with the Europeans. Now they just have to start building cars that are pretty to the eye and to get your hands on... then we can start talking for real.

Great point Beemer, the Caddy is a great car for GM!

But put it in this perspective!

Your buying one of these two cars and money wasn't a problem OR your offered either one of these cars

Which one would you take





The Rs6

Tha RS6 kicks M5:a ass pretty good in the two tests I've seen. Seriously, did you expect something else...?

I agree.

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I give credit when I know its a fact, now its not. C&D explained the reasons for the M3 laptime and cutting 1.6 seconds are no problem when you have car working 100% trouble free, not on a high speed track. Driving in automatic mode is no ideal thing to do when you are chasing laptimes around a track, thats not what the DCT is built for either.

Exactly, the comparison with the M3 is irrelevant due to certain circumstances. Let's wait and see what the production car will do in further tests. I'm certan the CTS-V will prove itself in the same manner the Z06 did - an alternative for those of us who value performance but does not care about things like interior quality or such.

Never understood, what is the point of comparing a compact sedan, Cts with a family sedan 5-Series ...?

Cts was built to rival 3-series & Sts is the real 5-Series competitor & yes, Bimmer is ahead by miles in every sence ...!

Simple is that, Cts-V for M3 & Sts-V for M5 & there is no need to mention the kings ...!

How can the CTS-V be King of the track when the car weigh fully 1936 kg, according to the C&D article?

Weight isn't healthy for a car to toss around a track. A car that weigh 200-300 kg less is going to feel more agile and nimble to drive around a track and more fun to throw around in the bends. Take the Caddy to a tighter and twistier track where horsepower does not matter and the lighter car will shine.

The Caddy will be a blast on open roads but King of the track it will never be. Then Cadillac need to focus on weight as well.

Clarkson about the CTS-V, great article.

Edit: http://www.germancarforum.com/america...lac-cts-v.html

That isn't correct. The CTS is sized in between the 3 and 5-Series cars, but its actually closer in size to the 5-Series. The STS is larger than the 5-Series, but smaller than the 7-Series. This is why they compare the CTS-V with the M5 and not the M3.


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This about lacking interior quality would apply to the old CTS-V, but it really doesn't to the new car. The CTS' interior is arguably best interior. Not world beating, but no longer the pile of junk the old car was either. A knock on interior quality for the new CTS is really no longer valid.

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Yes, I think the new CTS-V interior looks better than all the German ones, at least in pictures.

Mind-boggling powerful engines just to haul all that weight around a track. Why make it so difficult, for a sport sedan I wouldn't be looking here - an M3 or a C63 would do the job far better, no?

Many were saying the same thing about the RS6. It weighs in heavier than an M5, and also has more horsepower than the M5... but still is able to run with and ahead of an M5.

There's no 1 perfect formula for creating a 4-door sedan track car. The CTS-V proves that even if you can't get that weight of the car down, you can still create a barn-storming engine and great driving dynamics to keep level-pegging with the competition.

So the benchmark M5 is getting showed up, my my my! I have to say, the 2nd generation CTS is the only GM car I'd want to own. Congratulations Cadillac, I shall raise a toast in your honor.

I don't know about C63 but if you want a car for the track with many twisty courves pick the M3, not a CTS-V with its 1936 kg (or a M5 for that matter). Weight will hurt in the end and a lighter car will be more enjoyable to toss around with. M3 is not the ultimate track car either, a Porsche or Ferrari will do the job better but unfortunately they aren't cheap. But the most ultimate track car must be a Lotus of some kind.

Regarding the C&D article I saw a video from the track and C&D is correct when they say horsepower do matter on their test track. Its a large track with several long straightlines and thats where powerful cars will gain time. C&D also had a Lotus Elise and everyone know they handle better than a M3 or a CTS-V but the Elise is slower. Again, horsepower do matter on some tracks and on C&D's track power makes a difference.

All this fuss about the M5 being beaten - proves it is still the king.

Again, we will have to as ourselves if it is the fastest car (by a fraction of a second) that is the most rewarding to drive? If you want to beat the M5 you must both be faster, more involving to drive and still not renounce things like a great interior, build quality and comfort. That has yet to happen...

Can you post links to them?

Well, I was expecting the RS6 to be almost as impressive as the RS4. But I guess my expectations were too high. Instead of making it more enjoyable on track, Audi decided to continue with the same recipe as for the previous RS6 (autobahn-stormer).