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This is a discussion on Top Gear M3 vs C63 vs RS4 within the Internal Combustion forums, part of the Website Forums category; Originally Posted by Luwalira Same old story with the Z4... Pitty that one could not live up to the expectations ...

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Old 12-24-2007, 05:00 PM   #26
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Same old story with the Z4...
Pitty that one could not live up to the expectations the way the C63 does.
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Old 12-24-2007, 05:25 PM   #27
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Neither of all three cars has a major advantage over the others. They are like peaches, apricot and plumbs. There's one for everyone.
On the street, yes, but on track, looks like M3 has a big advantage over the other 2.
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On the street, yes, but on track, looks like M3 has a big advantage over the other 2.
Not every track, besides the street is always where those cars will meet each other.
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Every track they have been tested on till now that I know of, the M3 has been faster.
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On the street, yes, but on track, looks like M3 has a big advantage over the other 2.
Yeah as far as track driving goes the M3 is the best and probably most enjoyable to drive around a circuit since it it allow you to have 100% control over the way the car drives.
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Only thing left to be seen is the Super test ring time, where I expect the AMG to have an advantage due the track's high speed nature.
I think so too, on high speed tracks the C63 will have better chance against the M3 but om smaller tracks the M3 will have the advantage , sure there might be some exceptions but mostly, the agiler M3 will have a better chance on smaller tracks.

But in real life in the hands of average drivers it might be easier to be faster in a C63 due of automatic and torgue engine, same goes for RS4 thanks to the safe Quattro system but it doesnt mean they will be more fun to drive. But if you are really good driver the M3 will be the better tracktool.

When I testdrove the new M3 you really felt that that the car has a great balance and it was easy to control. It felt like it was a easier car to drive fast with than previous M3 E46. I think the new will be M3 a better car in the hands of an average driver than last M3.
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Re: Top Gear M3 vs C63 vs RS4

But Nurburgring ain't a high speed track. It's a combined track.
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But Nurburgring ain't a high speed track. It's a combined track.
its mostly a high speed track and its higher speeds than on Hockenheim and its also larger track and Bedford therefore C63 will have better chance on N-ring.
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Not every track, besides the street is always where those cars will meet each other.
Bingo!

Personally I'd be happy with anyone of these cars.

I can't wait for a quadruple test involving the Lexus IS-F. 2008 better bring good stuff.
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Re: Top Gear M3 vs C63 vs RS4

Very awesomme test.. love all 3 cars..

but the C63 is just insane..and me likes insane
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I really like the way how the C63 looks sounds and go's.

Would love to see a test between these cars and a UK spec hyper Evo and see the outcome off and on the track.
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I really like the way how the C63 looks sounds and go's.

Would love to see a test between these cars and a UK spec hyper Evo and see the outcome off and on the track.
FQ340 would eat them alive so becuase Evo are much lighter cars than the fat germans.
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But in real life in the hands of average drivers it might be easier to be faster in a C63 due of automatic and torgue engine, same goes for RS4 thanks to the safe Quattro system but it doesnt mean they will be more fun to drive. But if you are really good driver the M3 will be the better tracktool.
Well said. For the Clarksons and Mays of this world an M3 is the right car , for the rest of us an RS4 or C63 might be a better choice.
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Well said. For the Clarksons and Mays of this world an M3 is the right car , for the rest of us an RS4 or C63 might be a better choice.
No, because I can have fun with a M3 as well. The car is so freaking well-balanced and is easy to control when you drive it on the streets. I loved every minute I drove the M3 and I'm one of those average drivers.
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No, because I can have fun with a M3 as well. The car is so freaking well-balanced and is easy to control on the streets. You can do a lot with the car before something goes wrong.
I said that for the rest of us Rs4 or C63 might be a better choice.

Andreas you are a better driver that May and Clarkson. You can drive any car with no problem.
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No but I'm a better driver than you, thats the only thing that matters There is a reason why you drive audi and me drives bmw
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I 'm a lazy driver , that's why i would take the RS4 , i put minimum effort behind the steering wheel.

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Well said. For the Clarksons and Mays of this world an M3 is the right car , for the rest of us an RS4 or C63 might be a better choice.
I doubt that about the C63. Seeing how difficult it looked even for Stig to control it, I think an average driver might actually find the M3 the easier one to drive provided the "the average" driver has minimum proficiency to drive a manual.
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I doubt that about the C63. Seeing how difficult it looked even for Stig to control it, I think an average driver might actually find the M3 the easier one to drive provided the "the average" driver has minimum proficiency to drive a manual.
That was a humoristic comment i made. Seriously now the C63 turned out to be more "nervous" that i expected.
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Re: Top Gear M3 vs C63 vs RS4

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That was a humoristic comment i made. Seriously now the C63 turned out to be more "nervous" that i expected.
I mean it's kind of to be expected (same with the M3). 450 hp, all that torque, rear wheel drive and it's not exactly light either. And the fact that they turned off the ESP, well of course it's going to be a handful.

Does the Benz and Audi have different settings for the traction control?

P.S. I also want to note that that part they said about the Benz running out of tire thread... I mean did you see how they were driving the Benz? If they did the same with the BMW, the tires would look the same.
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Re: Top Gear M3 vs C63 vs RS4

wow the M3 a full 5 secs faster!!!

i love the M3!!!!

hahaha sooo funny when JC changed his outfit when he drove the M3!

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Re: Top Gear M3 vs C63 vs RS4

In a way it's an unfair test. The C63 and RS4 are SEDANDS and the M3 is a COUPE. This is probably why the C63 and RS6 numbers were close. Note how much legroom and trunk space there is in the C63 compared to the M3 coupe. I mean, isn't the M6 slightly faster than the M5?

But in the end, I like them all and I would take the C63 and M3 coupe (not the sedan).
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Re: Top Gear M3 vs C63 vs RS4

In TG comparisons they dont usually all agree on one car. So it seems that the M3 is liked as an entire package--nevertheless, it does come down to personal preference--even if the M3 is the best car of the lot-it wont be chosen everytime. It will be interesting to see how these cars compare in sales. Thnx for the vid, made my xmas. Three beautiful and awesome machines. If Jeremy admits he liked the M3 the best it must mean something because Clarkson HATES BMWs.

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