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Old 10-11-2007, 03:10 PM   #1
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Automobile: 335i vs C350 vs CTS

Hehe, looks like someone didnt like the result and wrote a letter to Automobile.


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Dear Automobile Mag Editor,

I know the magazine business is incredibly competitive today, perhaps even as competitive as the automobile industry. It’s tough to get ahead and grow your readership with other great books and on-line sites competing for readers. But it’s a sad day for a life-long enthusiast like me when Automobile magazine prioritizes the perceived need to be out with the big story first over its journalistic duty to fairly and accurately report on the cars it drives.

Automobile’s “semi-comparison” of the all-new 2008 Cadillac CTS with a BMW 335i and a Mercedes C-350 Sport (September issue) is as unfair and misleading as any comparison I’ve ever read. Your readers, including me, deserve better from the Automobile magazine staff.

Providing your readers any sort of comparison absolutely requires a level playing field with like-priced and equipped cars being tested under the same weather and track conditions, preferably on the same day. Testing the BMW and Mercedes in dry, summer weather at your usual test facilities in the U.S. and then testing the all-new CTS in damp, low-traction conditions in Germany renders the comparison misleading and worthless. Proof that the damp conditions your editors “tested” the CTS in negatively impacted real results can be found in the fact that Car & Driver magazine tested a like-equipped CTS on dryer pavement elsewhere in Germany on that same day and achieved a 0-60 time of 5.8 seconds compared to your 6.6 second figure! Granted, the CTS they tested was a manual and the one Automobile tested was an automatic, but GM's own test numbers on the CTS auto are 5.9 seconds 0 - 60. For Automobile to publish a number that is 7/10ths of a second from reality for 0 - 60 is unconscionable and indicates how invalid the rest of their test numbers were for that day. Anything less than a same day, same conditions (and same continent!) comparison meant Automobile provided a great disservice and misleading information to its readers.

Further, comparing the new CTS to the BMW 3-Series isn't really an apples-to-apples comparison. The CTS is about the same size, has similar interior space, similar features and amenities, and similar driving dynamics to a BMW 5-Series. It just so happens that the CTS is priced less than a comparably equipped 3-Series BMW. Doing a "comparison" based primarily on performance numbers and then not giving the larger, roomier, more feature-laden car any credit for those attributes is just completely unfair and, again, provides a great disservice to readers.
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Re: Automobile: 335i vs C350 vs CTS

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Re: Automobile: 335i vs C350 vs CTS

CTS fan =

Even with a 0-60 time of 5.8 the CTS still lags far behind the 335i.
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Re: Automobile: 335i vs C350 vs CTS

Cadillac fanboys are still better than stupid Lexus fanboys and the bullsh*t they come up with when a Lexus looses a comparo.
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Re: Automobile: 335i vs C350 vs CTS

Says as they will the new CTS is a bomb ass car, lets make no mistake about that. And sure the 335 may have more power but the CTS handles just as good, if not better.
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Re: Automobile: 335i vs C350 vs CTS

^ no it doesnt.
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Re: Automobile: 335i vs C350 vs CTS

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^ no it doesnt.
And you've driven one???... Probably not.
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Old 10-26-2007, 01:41 AM   #8
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Re: Automobile: 335i vs C350 vs CTS

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And you've driven one???... Probably not.
only way to see which car has best handling is to take them to the track or doing advanced driving, nothing you easily notice on the road. Everyone can make a good handling car so its not a chock if you're right.

Does the 335i come with sportpackage (includes sportchassi and lowered suspension) in US and have anyone read this comparison?
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