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The Artist · 10-01-2007, 06:30 PM

bimmer please..it looks better..plus its RWD..that winns it for me

PanterroR · 10-02-2007, 04:31 AM

TT diesel, monster torque, RWD? Any day over GTI.

Just_me · 10-02-2007, 04:39 AM

Im going wild and claim that Golf 1.4 TDi (170hp, turbo/supercharger) is a better buy than GTI.

vedjo01 · 10-02-2007, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Just_me

Im going wild and claim that Golf 1.4 TDi (170hp, turbo/supercharger) is a better buy than GTI.

1.4 TDi

?Didn´t you meant 1.4 petrol turbo/supercharged?

Imhotep Evil · 10-02-2007, 05:57 AM

It's TSI, turbocharged-supercharged-injection.

This was first used in the Lancia Delta S4 Group B rally car, and had a power output of ~440 hp default and could go to over 600 hp if necessary.

I wonder if you'd chip the TSI.

Just_me · 10-02-2007, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by vedjo01

1.4 TDi

?Didn´t you meant 1.4 petrol turbo/supercharged?

You smartass

I meant the petrol version.

vedjo01 · 10-02-2007, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Imhotep Evil

It's TSI, turbocharged-supercharged-injection.

This was first used in the Lancia Delta S4 Group B rally car, and had a power output of ~440 hp default and could go to over 600 hp if necessary.

I wonder if you'd chip the TSI.

Twin charging has almost unlimited potential,I agree..

That Lancia turned rally world upside down,as I recall..and Ford RS 200 also..These monsters were reason to shut down group B,I think

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Originally Posted by Just_me

You smartass I meant the petrol version.

Gotcha..

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Imhotep Evil · 10-02-2007, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by vedjo01

Twin charging has almost unlimited potential,I agree..

That Lancia turned rally world upside down,as I recall..and Ford RS 200 also..These monsters were reason to shut down group B,I think

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Yes twin-charging + injection is fantastic, but such a chiped TSI should be put onto the AWD R36 as just the front wheels would not deal with such power/torque.

The Lancia S4 was alongside the Peugeot "205" T16 Evo2 the ultimate Group B car. The RS200 wasn't really a contender, but the accident the RS200 was involved in Portugal killing spectators and the death of Lancia driver Toivonen led to the death of Group B rally. As if 600 hp were not enough Audi was planing/testing a 1000 hp monster.
That really was too much.

Merc1 · 10-02-2007, 08:34 AM

I wonder if we'll ever see a twincharger engine in the U.S. Seems like a natural fit to me. Are there plans to use this concept on something larger the 4-cylinders?

M

klier · 10-02-2007, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Just_me

Many many many people modify their cars today. I would too if I had a turbo engine. Let a tuner with good reputation do it and that something would go seriosly wrong is slim. It all depends on how much you modify the engine.

To name one, Kellener is a good and well-known BMW tuner.

My next car will most likely have the I6 3.0 TT engine, and I went to the dealership to inform myself about tuning it etc.....they weren't happy at all to keep it short. All warranties will be lost when something breaks etc. etc.

Now I am confused and scared. A little help would a very welcome.

martinbo · 10-02-2007, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by klier

My next car will most likely have the I6 3.0 TT engine, and I went to the dealership to inform myself about tuning it etc.....they weren't happy at all to keep it short. All warranties will be lost when something breaks etc. etc.

Now I am confused and scared. A little help would a very welcome.

Aftermarket tuning of turbocharged cars is only for hard-core street dicers in my opinion. Wanna win that traffic light drag, sure man, boost your STI to the moon but be prepared to fork out the necessary dosh when you pop a con-rod through the block. We see it all the time... fiddle fiddle faf with the ECU settings; turn the boost up and pour more fuel in. And then - bang.

Klier, if you want the improved performance from an aftermarket enhancement and still get the benefit of warranteed peace of mind then the only rational and (very) classy option to go for on the I6 turbo'd engine is a conversion from Alpina.

Just_me · 10-02-2007, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by klier

My next car will most likely have the I6 3.0 TT engine, and I went to the dealership to inform myself about tuning it etc.....they weren't happy at all to keep it short. All warranties will be lost when something breaks etc. etc.

Now I am confused and scared. A little help would a very welcome.

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