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Said by Shaolin Shadow Boxer; Wu tang Clan ain't nuttin' to f with!

No doubt spinning his rears like a madman in the gravel had something to do with how the tyres look in the pics.

You guys, some of you, are impossible to please. Alonso is mysteriously slow in Q3 and no one said anything. Then Hamilton gets a DNF because he didn't change tyres and now the team is utter crap, according to many. I watched the coverage on SpeedTV and the coverage was brilliant. They kept saying the decision to change tyres is down to the driver! One of the commentators had a slip of the tongue and said it was mechanical error that Hamilton is out, but his colleague quickly corrected him, saying something like, "it's brain fade."

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Just finished watching the race from TV (Thanks to Channel Ten for delaying the telecast by about 11 hours, assh*les)

Interesting race, but not as exciting as the Japanese GP. Naturally as a Ferrari supporter I was jumping out of my seat when I saw Lewis parking it right outside the pit, even though I do want him to take out the world champ tonight. Lewis did an awsome job just to keep his car in 1 piece on his in lap, but that was too late already. I was thinking maybe the track marshall will push his car back onto the pitlane, or a crane will come and lift him up Euro GP style, but it never happened.

Mclaren gambled and lost badly, only god knows what they were thinking. Perhaps Lewis should have backed off a bit more a few laps earlier so he could have reduce the damage on his right rear.

Red Bull also stuffed up massively, and came away with only 1 point, and they got trashed by STR. Vettel drove an awsome race to finish 4th with little experience is very impressive. The future of F1 is still bright with the new generation of drivers fighting it out for a long time to come.

I don't think that Mclaren has gained any new haters today, it's just that people are disappointed with the stupid screw up. No doubt that Hamilton shot himself in the foot. He should have played it safe. All he had to do was to finish 1st, 2nd or even third and he would have had the championship locked.

Still I'm going to maintain optimistic and pray that he comes thorugh in Brazil.

Me too! The race wasn't that exciting for a wet race. My heart rate only picked up when Hamy beached it. I just thought, oh hell, here we go again and waited for the crane brigade! Thankfully, it didn't come.

Now you know how I feel. This was one screw-up that actually cost Hamilton. I think Ferrari screw-ups have been costing them everywhere.

How is Bernie so lucky? This must be dream for him. He wanted a last-race showdown and now he's got one. It still looks like Hamilton will win the title. Alonso said in the press conference that it it's a normal race (Brazil GP), it's impossible. BE must be a happy man.

Yeah overall the race was pretty dull. I too expected Hamilton to get back on track, especially when he starting pointing one of his hands forward telling the stewards that he wants to be pushed back. Then 4-5 guys came to the car to assist. From now on we can expect Hamilton to helped when ever he looses traction and bites the dust.

BE is indeed smiling at the moment. The entertainment and drama factor can't be much higher than this, especially on the last GP.

I wouldn't be so sure that Hamilton will win, but I certainly hope so. Anything can happen just like the unthinkable which surprised the hell out of me. I've never seen a driver have to stop the race because of the same reason at Hamilton did today.

He's a hard dude and in Brazil he will either win or collide with someone.

Unlike Cranegate, when moving Hamy's car caused more danger and not less, I agreed with the marshals trying to move him from the pit lane. The rule is that the car can be moved if it is in a dangerous spot. Some drivers, most notably Raikkonen, take that pit entry very aggressively. I thought there was actually reason to "help" him.

I think the marshals need to understand they are to push a car out only if it is in a dangerous area. These past few years it seems they are pushing cars because the drivers ask for it. That's not how it goes. Well, of course a driver who spun it off and kept the engine running would ask to be pushed. That does not mean the marshals need to oblige. The FIA should clarify that.

If Hamy collides with someone rather than letting him win, I might actually start to like him. Unfortunately, he has two drivers that can beat him. The collision strategy only works if it is a two-man fight. Make no mistake about it, I want to see a collision to decide the title!

Ah c'mon guys... this just makes it way more interesting!

I'm cheering for Hammy as well, but he's shouldn't win it that easily! This way it's really down to the wire, making Brazil a must-see race instead of a whatever-we-already-know-who-wins race! A hard win is much more gratifying than an easy win...

That said, I really hope Kimi doesn't win the DC... I would hate to see the reds win the DC again!




P.S. I feel your pain Luw, McL really f***ed this one up... I mean that was a f*** up of major proportions!

The rules have been clarified and it is no longer legal to use a crane to get you back in a race.

Has Hamilton blown his chance?
Lewis Hamilton's hopes of clinching the Formula One world title at the Chinese Grand Prix were dashed when drove off the track because of worn tyres.

The Englishman is now only four points ahead of his McLaren team-mate Fernando Alonso after the Spaniard finished second to Ferrari's Kimi Raikkonen in Shanghai.

Raikkonen, the form man in the second half of the season, is also in with a shout - the Finn is seven points behind Hamilton following his fifth win of the year.

Four British F1 legends assess the events in China and what might happen in Brazil on 22 October.

"What happened was inexperience and a lack of maturity. Experience is something you cannot buy. It comes through years and years."

BBC Sport

The weirdest scenario for the WDC will be if Alonso finishes 2nd and Hamilton in 4th. Alonso and Hamilton will be exactly tied in points, wins, seconds and thirds and Hamilton will win by virtue of having more 4th places...

McLaren ignored Bridgestone advice

From 'McLaren ignored Bridgestone advice' - Planet-F1 News - from planet-f1.com

The tyre advice sounds like an excuse to me.

Hamilton was on the same tyres as Raikkonen and Alonso. None of the top cars changed tyres during the first pit stop. Raikkonen was eating into his lead on the same tyres and he came into the pits just as Hamy was beached in the gravel. The Kimster was not struggling nearly as much. I think Alonso, again on those inters, came in even later, I think lap 35 or 36.

FIA probes McLaren for Alonso sabotage - report

F1’s governing body has opened a new investigation into McLaren, amid claims that the Woking based team may have sabotaged Fernando Alonso’s car in China, reports on Tuesday said. At the conclusion of the espionage saga last month, FIA president Max Mosley warned that the Paris body would closely monitor McLaren for signs of retribution against the Spaniard’s involvement in providing evidence that ultimately cost the team $100 million and exclusion from the constructors’ world championship.The Spanish newspaper La Nueva Espana claims that Alonso’s tyres were extremely over-inflated due to being heated too much prior to the ‘Q3′ section of qualifying in Shanghai.

“I think they are still investigating,” the 26-year-old had told reporters on Sunday, 24 hours after the incident that left him baffled and six tenths slower than his teammate, championship rival and pole-sitter Lewis Hamilton.
Alonso added: “I think the tyre pressures were quite high, more than normal, but I don’t know if it was that or another explanation.”
La Nueva Espana said the FIA is now investigating the claim.
Meanwhile, it was reported by Italian media that Fernando Alonso on Tuesday travelled to the Modena magistrates office near Ferrari’s headquarters to be interviewed as part of the criminal probe into McLaren for allegedly spying.
Ron Dennis and fellow team chiefs were at the Italian grand prix last month served with ‘avviso di garanzias’ — formal warnings that they may be charged for sporting fraud, espionage and embezzlement. (GMM)

Bahahaa! Anything to give Ferrari both championships eh?

Indeed!

What bout probing Ferrari for Massa 's extra pit stop in Japan? Didn't that sabotage his race? or the countless time they pulled Barrichelo over.

Exactly. This investigate is bullocks. I'm glad that there's only one GP left because this season has been f*cked up. New drama coming up every week.

The difference is that Massa didn't turn over evidence that cost his employer $100M. The FIA said that if McLaren attempted to get back at Alonso for being a whistle blower they would deal harshly with them.

That being said, the FIA will have major difficulty proving that the tires were intentionally overheated/inflated. Unless there's an email out there from Ron Denis with specfic orders, or something else along those lines, anything else is pure conjecture.

But it is team orders - which I thought is also against the rules. When you selectively enforce rules like that to favor a certain team overmultiple seasons it kinda becomes obvious.

I seriously have nothing against Ferrari and I am a fan of Kimi, but the more the FIA favours them, the more I hate them.

In the end it might be Alonso that could have the last laugh this season at McLaren's disloyalty to him, particularly because everyone in the team blames him for the spygate saga.

There's the very possible scenario on the final laps that Kimi is leading, Massa is second, Alonso is third and Hamilton is fourth. In which case would Alonso let Hamilton pass him so McLaren can win the WDC? If he doesn't, then Kimi will win.

That would be an absolute kick in the nuts for McLaren if he doesn't let Hamilton pass, but put simply, McLaren haven't backed Alonso at all during the last half of the season, so why should he? It could all come down to Karma in the end.

Granted, this one in many scenario's, but hey, its definitely a possibility.

In the scenario you described (Kimi leading, Masa and then Alonso), I believe Lewis only needs to finish 5th (may be even 6th, I am not sure who has more wins) to grab the championship. So yeah, sort of Alonso taking lewis out, he can't help Ferrari.

They could probe Ferrari for the extra pitstop, but the data will probably show he was running out of fuel or had a tyre issue. What do mean Barrichello pulled over countless times on team orders? He hardly ever had to do it. Schu won 72 races for Ferrari and how many times did Barrichello pull over for him to help him win? It's not countless times.

Besides, team orders weren't illegal when Barrichello used to be told to pull off.

Kimi would still lose to Hamy in that scenario. Hamilton needs to come in 5th. If he comes in 6th, he would be tied on points with Kimi, but lose the tiebreaker (wins).

The scenario you outlined is my dream scenario. Alonso and Hamilton are fighting for position and there is a collision. If Alonso can't win the title, I'd think he'd prefer Raikkonen to win it. The question is what will he do?

The nightmare would be Hamilton and Alonso crash into each other, leaving Raikkonen to coast home. Then Raikkonen has an engine failure on the last lap to give the title to Hamilton!