What's your opinion on this section, BMW CM, SCOTT27, EnI, BMW marketing etc?

^beacuse
if eni says hello
then you say oh hi how are you doing..

and i cant see that hello ..
then your post doesent make much sence..

so ile still be pressing show enis post.. to understand the context of the thread..

I actually enjoy reading the threads, albeit sometimes I feel obligated to point out BS or inconsistencies when I see them. Are you suggesting that only unwavering supporters of their input visit this area?

I don't know how you got there Doc.

I have read all these posts and the most consistent concern that has come from this debate is that they moderate their own section. And that is a valid concern, particularly given the that fact that it was "cloaked" from the community. Every "critic", in one way or another, has stated appreciation for their input.

So give me a break with the summation.

True Artist I didnt think of it but if people stop quoting each others then it would work perfectly. Use your angry face and tell members to stop quoting :t-applaus

Mind many here (me included) are not native English speakers.
Nor I was schooled in some English-speaking country / or even college.

Nor I'm a schooled theologian ... so - please forgive me - when not using words like symbol, character, figure, icon words 100% correctly. :t-cheers:

It was not my intention to call Christ a "symbol" to degrade him.
Since in my native language we say eg. "Christ is a symbol of all Christians" ... and I just used the same phrase here .... :t-hands:


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As said: sometimes we are not aware of all the personal, cultural, lingual etc differences between members - since we indeed are a very colorful community. Therefore some jokes, expressions, phrases etc. can be sometimes perceived in a completely wrong context. Not every time some words (form) are said with an intent to insult or offend ... Due to all the differences a noise in communication can occur ... things get "lost in translation" ... from language to language, from mind to mind etc. Therefore live communication in person is much easier - when you can see a person you communicate with ... his / her face expression, body language ... and you can here her / his voice (tone, color etc) ... it's much easier to identify the context of the said words. In written form that's a bit more difficult ... We can use smilies to emphasize our intention - but even that can get perceived in a wrong way. Therefore a bit special protocols & forms are used in written forms (usually more formal) ... But in eg. internet communities or blog comment sections where informal spoken-like language is used, usually comes to frictions - due to the comm. noise & wrong perception of the message. Since we are used written comm. has a greater weight & formality level than eg. spoken word. And therefore we take it more seriously - even in the case when not appropriate to take it seriously.

:t-cheers:


Such almost-live written communication is new to the humankind ... since the tech now allows that. In the past mostly paper was a medium for written comm. between people. And it it took a long time to get a reply ... Now you get it instantly. Yet such written comm. is not yet adapted to such comm. tempo - neither are the people.

So, people - a bit more patience would be nice. From all sides. :t-cheers:

EnI,

All is well, I too will try to be more considerate, respectful and appreciative in the future. :t-cheers:

BTW and respectfully, I still don't think you should moderate this area. Even when your actions are sound and justified, they will viewed with much skepticism. Why not let others in this community take over that responsibility?

I am

One thing that keep coming up and is annoying me quite a bit now.

Eni provides info and is insulting, but it's OK because he has info, so in turn we should turn on the "regular" members because they don't have info.

Are you serious? Oh, I'm f__king sorry that I, and many others, are just "regular" folks who don't have contacts inside major corporations. If WE ALL had insider info, this will not be a regular forum but would be an industry forum, kind of like what NeoGaf is for games industry. Just because I don't have contacts doesn't make Eni, or anyone else, better than me. It's f__king insulting to be put down for not having info because this forum and all other forums were not built by "professional" members but regular folks who take out time from their day to come online have a chat. I've made over 6000 posts and not one of them had any insider information, but Eni has made over 7000 posts and not even 10% of those were "informational".

You and a few others I believe, and many others who thought it but haven't written anything. :t-cheers:

You seem to imply that some of us are for a special treatment for eni which is exactly the opposite of what we have said.

Good for you.

Nope, all I'm saying is that just because the rest of us aren't affiliated with any companies don't give people who are the right to talk down to us and other members here tell us that we aren't on their level. If that's how sh!ts gonna be then I have better things to do in life then be looked down upon and would consider my 6000 thousand posts and countless hours on here a waste.