Discussion in 'New Porsche Models / Vehicles' started by Centurion, Feb 16, 2012.
No please, not that back-end. Hell no. Panamera's ass is ugly enough. Can't afford to see another Porsche with a ridiculously weird rear.
Actually, that's kind of a flattering picture of the Panny's butt.
I am not sure about that render. Official skecth shows totally different angle of rear part!
Actually on this occasion based on this sketch and from that angle I think the sloping butt suits the car. Though I doubt officially it will look anything like this sporty.
What I see here is ugly Panamera profile + Cayenne hight + Boxter details = ugly as hell Macan. I am glad this is a very bad photoshop and the Macan won't look anything like it.
The most interesting part of these details is Porsche developed 3.0L 90degree V6 Twin-turbo. Here the power is 350hp but Autocar is claiming as high as 370hp which would place it very close to the Cayenne GTS and bare in mind this is without mentioning the words 'Turbo' or 'GTS' which could well push the output even higher again. The funny thing is that rumors have linked Audi switching their V6 from supercharged to twin-turbo so maybe this is a co-development between the two brands.
The most funny thing is that Mercedes having switched from 90° V6 to 60°, as almost all V6 engines are at 60°, and BMW having first implanted the turbochargers inside the V engine, on the V8 90°, and doing the same tech for the V6 engines, by keeping a 90° angle from the choped V8 engine, it looks like all other follow the idea of basing the V6 engines on V8 engine the get a 90° V6, on one side for reducing costs and on the other side to use the new tech of inside mounted turbochargers. If this is true, then it is even more evident the new M3 will get a 90° V6, as BMW "always leads and never follows".
I think 90degree V6 turbo engines have been used for quite some time, the original RS4 as one example so if BMW start using it I don't see how anyone is following them if they also go that route.
I did not know the RS4 B5 had a 90° V6 with two turbos mounted inside. But know yu said it I checked it up and it is true. That car was a very fast car with just some mods.
No they weren't inside but I didn't realise that was what you meant because its not clearly if either Audi or Porsche are going that route.
I previously heard that Porsche were in the process of developing an SAC Which for Porsche makes perfect sense.
Along with Elite SUV's , the Sport Activity Coupe segment will also grow and this time in all sizes.
Ok, we missunderstood. Concerning V6 angles, the only point of using a 90° angle is reducing cost, by basing it on a 90° V8 and putting the turbochargers inside. I think it could be the case with Audi/Porsche, I also heard, not sure if it is true, that the F-Type is getting a new V6, 90° based on the V8, naturally aspirated and supercharged, with the SC between the vee. Also, do you know whether the 4.8l DFI engine is going to be replaced by the 4.0 TFSI engine?
I don't know what Porsche thinks, but me liking both the X5 and X6, I like even more the Cayenne (958), because it has in it both the design/shape qualities of the X5 and the X6. I don't think anything more would be needed. What makes a SUV coupéish, is not so much the roof line or better to say the rear trunk/door, but rather the low profile of the side windows. This design sketch is the perfect "SAC", as they are so called.
If it looks like this my wife will be driving one sometime in 2014/15, with the 190hp 2.0 TDi.
"However, Audi officials, already smarting from having to share the Q5 underpinnings with Porsche, are said to be resisting pressure to share this diesel with the Macan"
Like Audi has a saying...if Porsche wants, Porsche gets it.
That's what I mentioned in another thread. Inter family-relations within VAG will get more complicated with time and the Macan will be Dennis the Menace causing a lot of friction.
It will not get more complicated. Porsche will always be first.
For now yes. Especially because of their substantial ~50% of the VW Group. In the long run Porsche will likely need to develop customize Audi and VW engines for their own use to maintain a distinct advantage over Audi cars. The last thing one would want is the Macan not being any different from a Audi Q5-S. However VAG is currently managed by the smartest men in the automotive industry and their product planning is second to none. So I doubt they'll fumble over their own egos like GM and produce line-up of cars that make no sense what so ever.
The reason Porsche will get what Porsche wants within VAG is the component/platform sharing, it's the brand which return the most profit per development.