Not much lighter than a 4wd TT then, but less power. What toyota need to do is make a serious sports car with the lexus LFA engine
This is my next car. Well I am getting the Subaru with STI and SPT parts. A Mazda has even less power but is alot of fun. Of course more power is always welcome. The Rnault Clio RS is also a very nice car with its 201 PS and 213 Nm NA I4 is very fun. But it is FWD and not RWD. I do not say everybody should like this car in any way, but true car enthusiast will understand the main purpose of this car. If this works, acording to the rumours, Toyota will bring back to life the Supra with turbo engine and rear-wheel drive.
There are about as many "true car enthusiasts" as there are tastes in cars. This will be a great car! Its got everything going for it.
So you have driven it, then? Ah, yes. The 4wd TT. That paragon of balance and the first choice of sporting enthusiast drivers. Less power, but its power/wt is higher than the TT's, isn't it? Looks like a lot of people are already benchracing this car into the Loser class on the basis of on-paper stats. It's borderline ridiculous how some have written off this car without either A) understanding Toyota/Subaru's intent with this car, and B) having driven it themselves. Cue the on-paper stat-racing by the Autocar forum crowd following this review: Toyota GT 86 - Road Test First Drive - Autocar.co.uk
I dig how both Subaru and Toyota acknowledge each other and their collaborative effort on the engine cover. It's one of those "Aw, shucks" moments. I didn't realize a quattro TT was about 3100 lbs. Not bad. But the weight distribution is 60:40, pretty abysmal for a "performance" car. Regarding making a sports car with the LFA engine....as B773ER has said, it's called the LFA. Keep in mind, just the LFA engine is about $90,000. Yes, because the Toyota badge is that terrible. /sarcasm. Since you brought up the TT, let's keep in mind that it's based on a V-Dub Golf. Now the TT is a nice car with a pretty trick Bauhaus-inspired design, but let's not kid ourselves that it's one of those VW's with 4-ring emblems slapped on to it. Again, nothing wrong with taking advantage of economies of scale, but let's not kid ourselves. The Toyota/Subaru makes zero intentions of being a luxury car filled with frills, unlike a TT, it's a very roots-oriented sports car for the sake of driving fun. Styling is subjective, I'll give you that. But, pray-tell, what stupid superfluous gadgets does the LFA have? Many well-respected auto journalists/enthusiasts who have spent their personal and professional time behind the wheels of so many cars that many of us can only dream of driving, yet many say it's one of the most focused driver's car. Yeah, the price is rather stratospheric, but many upon many say it's rather justified. Sorry, Poverty, don't mean to single you out, but I can't help feeling you're a tad bit biased, all because of a little ol' badge.
Wow... this thing is quite the disappointment. The design is way too flashy and looks like it will age rapidly. Then there's that engine... someone stick a turbo or two in it quick! 2011 and only 205Nm from a 2.0 liter N-A engine? Didn't the VAG 2.0 FSI put out something like 200Nm back in 2005? Haven't we progressed at all in 6 years?
No worries, very few of these cars will have the OEM bumpers, skirts, lights or wing for more than a week or two. The same MO goes for the engine.
Let anybody tell what car in the market today has a + 200 PS NA 2.0l 4 cylinders? I can only think of the Renault Clio RS and the Honda Civic R-Type. The S2000 is no more in the market. I knew the Turbo would kill the Screamer. One thing that makes me glad, is that the Turbo will never ever sound like a Screamer, and the sound is important: Lexus LF-A, Ferrari 458 Italia, Lamborghini Aventador, BMW M3 CSL, Mercedes C AMG BS.
If only they had left the back (by far the weakest part of the car's design) unchanged like the concept
Of all the concepts they've released, I still prefer the first effort versus whatever came after. And I, too, agree the rear is unresolved and immature Also the 1st concept had some interesting lines on the front fenders. I think the rear of the Subester is pretty solid. Take away the rally wing, and put a more discrete spoiler, and you have a well-resolve rear end. Again, IMO, of course.
For me also, the first concept was my favorite. Deckhook: This car is meant to be affordable, it is not a german premium daiy driver. I don't car about the quality. Anyway with a year or two I'll strip it down.
