I saw the metallic tangerine coloured 86 2 weekends ago, someone has got their hands on one almost immidiately after the shipment arrived. I was driving so I couldn't get a photo of it. It actually looks longer than I thought.
http://blogs.insideline.com/roadtests/2012/06/2013-scion-fr-s-vs-2011-scion-tc-track-tested.html Inside Line tests hundreds of vehicles a year, but not every vehicle gets a full write-up. The numbers still tell a story, though, so we present "IL Track Tested." It's a quick rundown of all the data we collected at the track, along with comments direct from the test drivers. Enjoy. Part of the appeal of the 2013 Scion FR-S -- and its twin, the Subaru BRZ -- is that it is such a departure from what we're used to from Scion (and Subaru). After all, before the FR-S, the most exciting, dynamic, stylish car and the closest thing Scion had to a driver's car was the Scion tC, which we last tested as a 2011 model. The 2011 Scion tC had 180 horsepower routed to the front wheels via a six-speed manual transmission. Our long-term 2013 Scion FR-S makes 200 hp and pushes it to the rear wheels via a six-speed manual. Follow the jump to see how this family rivalry turns out on the track. Scion FR-S Scion tC0-30 (sec): 2.3 2.7 0-45 (sec): 4.2 4.6 0-60 (sec): 6.5 7.3 0-60 with 1-ft Rollout (sec): 6.2 7.0 0-75 (sec): 9.6 10.9 1/4-mile (sec @ mph): 14.8 @ 93.6 15.5 @ 89.9 30-0 (ft): 28 29 60-0 (ft): 114 123 Skid pad lateral accel (g): 0.89 0.82 Slalom 67.5 65.3 Vehicle: 2013 Scion FR-SOdometer: 1,153 Date: 6-19-2012 Driver: Mike Monticello Price: $24,930 Specifications: Drive Type: Rear-wheel drive Transmission Type: Six-speed manual Engine Type: Longitudinal, naturally aspirated flat-4 Displacement (cc/cu-in): 1,998/122 Redline (rpm): 7,400 Horsepower (hp @ rpm): 200 @ 7,000 Torque (lb-ft @ rpm): 151 @ 6,600 Brake Type (front): 11.7-inch vented discs with two-piston sliding calipers Brake Type (rear): 11.5-inch discs with single-piston sliding calipers Suspension Type (front): Independent MacPherson struts, coil springs, lower control arms, stabilizer bar Suspension Type (rear): Independent multilink, coil springs, stabilizer bar Tire Size (front): 215/45 R17 (87W) Tire Size (rear): 215/45 R17 (87W) Tire Brand: Michelin Tire Model: Primacy HP Green X Wheel Size: 17-by-7 inches front and rear Tire Type: Summer performance As tested Curb Weight (lb): 2,738 Test Results: Acceleration0-30 (sec): 2.3 (3.2 w/TC on) 0-45 (sec): 4.2 (5.6 w/TC on) 0-60 (sec): 6.5 (8.2 w/TC on) 0-60 with 1-ft Rollout (sec): 6.2 (7.8 w/TC on) 0-75 (sec): 9.6 (11.5 w/TC on) 1/4-Mile (sec @ mph): 14.8 @ 93.6 (15.9 @ 90.9) Braking: 30-0 (ft): 28 60-0 (ft): 114 Handling Slalom (mph): 67.5 ( 65.2 w/TC on) Skid Pad Lateral acceleration (g): 0.89 ( 0.88 w/TC on ) Db @ Idle: 41.6 Db @ Full Throttle: 80.5 Db @ 70 mph Cruise: 66.5 Acceleration: I tried Jacquot's "big revs, massive wheelspin" technique and while it does work to some extent, such excessive wheelspin had the shift light popping on while still spinning the tires, which caused the car to bog slightly after shifting to 2nd. So 5,000-rpm drop-clutch technique with slightly less wheelspin (but still a lot) proved quickest. Shifter is excellent, very precise, easy to jam home with authority. Braking: Very firm pedal with nice, short travel. The FR-S stays supremely planted and secure during panic stops, and the pedal remained consistent throughout. First stop was shortest at 114 feet. Fourth stop (out of six) was longest at 118 feet. Handling: Skid pad: This is a real throttle-steering car, and it's easy to get too much oversteer which would hurt the skid pad number. But, with small, careful throttle changes (not easy, because throttle is a bit abrupt) you can control the car's angle very nicely. Slalom: This is a very twitchy, tail-happy car in the quick transitions of the slalom, at least with VSC turned fully off. Planted it's not. Which just goes to show that what works fantastically on a mountain road does not necessarily equate to an easy time in the slalom. The VSC Sport setting and VSC fully on seemed very close in terms of intervention. The Sport setting should allow more freedom. And when it freaks out, it stabs the brakes very aggressively. Vehicle: 2011 Scion tCOdometer: 883 Date: 08-17-2010 Driver: Chris Walton Price: $19,995 Specifications: Drive Type: Front-wheel drive Transmission Type: Six-speed manual Engine Type: Naturally aspirated inline-4 Displacement (cc/cu-in): 2,494/152 Redline (rpm): 6,250 Horsepower (hp @ rpm): 180 @ 6,000 Torque (lb-ft @ rpm): 173 @ 4,100 Brake Type (front): 11.7-inch ventilated disc with single-piston sliding calipers Brake Type (rear): 11.0-inch ventilated disc with single-piston sliding calipers Suspension Type (front): Independent, MacPherson struts, coil springs, stabilizer bar Suspension Type (rear): Independent double wishbone, coil springs, stabilizer bar Tire Size (front): P225/45R18 91W Tire Size (rear): P225/45R18 91W Tire Brand: Yokohama Tire Model: Avid 834 Tire Type: All season Wheel size: 18-by-7.5 inches front and rear Wheel material (front/rear): Cast aluminum As tested Curb Weight (lb): 3,078 Test Results: 0-30 (sec): 2.7 (2.8 w/TC on) 0-45 (sec): 4.6 (4.8 w/TC on) 0-60 (sec): 7.3 (7.5 w/TC on) 0-60 with 1-ft Rollout (sec): 7.0 (7.2 w/TC on) 0-75 (sec): 10.9 (11.1 w/TC on) 1/4 Mile (sec @ mph): 15.5 @ 89.9 (15.6 @ 89.5 w/TC on) 30-0 (ft): 29 60-0 (ft): 123 Slalom (mph): 65.3 (62.3 stability control on) Skid Pad Lateral acceleration (g): 0.82 (0.82 stability control on) Db @ Idle: 41.8 Db @ Full Throttle: 74.8 Db @ 70 mph Cruise: 70.6 Acceleration Comments: Traction control can be avoided with heavy clutch abuse on the launch, but it kills the 1-2 shift. With trac off, the best run "hazed" the tires and allowed (almost) a 1-2 chirp. Long travel on clutch pedal before bite, and medium-length shift throws. Not horrible, but not a Civic either. Braking Comments: Reasonably flat, always straight, minimal fade. In other words, a textbook "average" performance. Handling Comments: Skid pad: With ESC off, there's a healthy dose of understeer. With ESC on, I can hear/feel the brake being applied, but it didn't help with the ultimate result. Steering is vaguely artificially made heavier at this speed. Slalom: With ESC off, the 6MT tC wasn't as threatening to break the rears as loose as the 6A -- maybe I was prepared this time, but it felt more predictable nonetheless. I used the same tiptoe in and whack the throttle for the exit. With ESC on, it dabed a brake at each cone, limiting my ability to go much faster.
My friend who is considering to purchase the 86 wanted to check out the car today, so I went with him to the nearest Toyota dealership to have a look. We asked the salesman if we can test drive the car after we told him that my friend wanted to upgrade from his MR2 (1997 model). The salesman immediately demanded us to pay the deposit for the car before we can test drive it, saying that there is 6 months waiting list, with many people wanting to test drive the car. We didn't like his tone, and this demand so we pretty much told him to get effed and left. I had the same experience with a VW dealership when the Golf GTi was released a few years ago. I hope this isn't the case in other countries.
It just has to do with the dealers. There are quite many bad dealers. Sorry for you. Go try at some other Toyota/Subaru dealer.
Guess the Australian market isn't that high up on the priority list, or maybe the dealer is talking crap, but local newspaper has reported that if you order the car now you will probably not get it til the end of the year. I am not surprised, there is a 9 month waiting list for a Polo GTi, same with the Golf diesel.
Why not put a deposit if he's seriously considering it? He'll get it back if he's not feeling it. Deposits are there for a reason. If there was no deposit, everyone would want a test drive. It's a shame this car is marketed as a Scion in the US. What's wrong with a Toyota badge?
Yes, that was a very good production and insightful too. His comments about the tires and consumables brings to mind this other review, from the National Post: http://life.nationalpost.com/2012/06/27/how-i-beat-my-addiction-to-horsepower-david-booth/ His review of the FR-S: http://life.nationalpost.com/2012/06/29/first-drive-2012-scion-fr-s/
Just goes to show how much difference sticky tires can make. It is actually faster with the Direzza Z1 tires than the much more powerful Subaru WRX. Very impressive Car and driver:
[scans] Alles Auto (Austria) - Toyota GT 86 Automatic Weight (with full tank of fuel): 1257 kg 0-100 km/h: 8,6 s Flexibility (60-100 km/h) in 4th gear: 8,8 s Flexibility (80-120 km/h) in 5th gear: 16,5 s () 18 m slalom: 58,4 km/h ( ) Braking on dry sufrace (100-0 km/h): 42,5 m ()
