Discussion in 'New Porsche Models / Vehicles' started by donau, Oct 14, 2006.
Isn't the wheelbase a bit short for that????
It's borderline short. But if you look at the driver there some decent amount of room behind him. Another theory is that it's mind engine GT1 version of the 997 which might explain space behind the driver. It's one very strange mule and it will take some leakage from Porsche before we really know what it is.
They should do a real coupe based on the Pana platform, and make it much better looking.
Very short wheelbase, long overhang behind the rear axle - there should be no reason for this to be anything other than a mule for the next generation 911.
If you take a closer look at the front end you can see how the 997TT front bumper has been forced on the very wide body stretching it to the limit near breakage. The bonnet is higher than on a normal 997 and overall the mule looks to have larger dimension than the 997. Looks very wide, low and bulky. Could very well be a two seater grand tourer chasing 599GTB. Fours seats would probably not be needed as there is the Panamera and Cayenne for that. Check out the massive wheels on the mule, looks very much like 20 inch rims to me. Not something you'd see on a 911.
I see nothing in the evidence presented that indicates that there is a V engine mounted upfront or that the engine is not located anywhere else than aft of the rear axle.
If Porsche were going to be developing a 2 or 2+2 GT they'd be using Cayenne and Panamera bodyshells to cover the mechanicals. That bonnet line between the two front wings can't possibly hold a V6 - let alone a V8.
What I see thus far is a bigger, wider future 911 that is being engineered to distance the 911 further from the Cayman and Boxster.
A front-engined 928 successor hot on the heels of the Panamera would be a ludicrous and ill-conceived addition to the range given the trouble that 924, 944 and 928 caused Porsche - and not so very long ago at that...
It's common knowledge that Porsche are often on the receiving end of criticism - particularly from US buyers - for being down on outright engine capacity compared with their rivals. I foresee bigger more powerful engines under that elongated rear deck. Heck if you told me it was an eight cylinder Boxer engine under there, I'd find it more plausible.
C'mon, don't you see what it is? It's a new 959!!
Seriouslt though, there's no way it is front-engined.
However, I certainly hope the next 911 will not be a giant heavy flat-8 car. It has to remain small, agile, and flat-6.
Tuners have prooved the flat-6 can be tuned to crazy amounts of power without reliability concerns, so what would a flat-8 for? Especially given the unique ratio power/mpg this motor offers.
Also, a bigger (heavier) motor at the back would take the 911 back to its old demons, eg. strong understeer at the entry of the curve, and strong fast oversteer at the end of it, with increased braking instability when braking in a curve. This would please Porsche die-hard fans a lot, but not the rest of the customer base.
I am sure it's still a flat-six. However the car seems bigger indeed, well let's hope the weight is down.
To be sure I'm not saying that it is or should be a flat 8!
I'm saying that the likelihood of it being a flat 8 is simply greater than that of there being a V6 or V8 in the front - that's all.
I have never heard of a flat eight engine. But, I'll say this: the current flat-6 in the Carrera S is reaching its limit of displacement and specific volume per cylinder. It's well documented that many manufacturers and engine experts regard 500cc per cylinder as the optimum for efficient power. Look at BMW - the S54 topped out at 540 cc per cylinder and this was deemed the max within optimal parameters.
Like I said - I've never heard of a flat 8 engine but possibly - with all the progress in lightweight, compact engine design, a 500 cc per cylinder (i.e. 4 litre flat eight) is plausible? These days more cylinders doesn't have to mean bigger or heavier - look at the S65 vs the old S54 engines.
There's been a lot of internet forum talk of what Porsche could do to make its naturally aspirated flat sixes more potent. DI was one of the innovation bandied about around 3 years ago and that was a dead cert. The other was around cam-less or electro-pneumatically/mechanically actuated valve systems but this technology is still some way off because it requires voltage of 32 volts or more.
I know nothing about the feasibility or constraints associated with a flat eight but what I can surmise objectively is that this car is a) rear-engined and b) there's no hope in hell that this is a front-engined GT.
Autobild are super credible and according to them it's the 997 successor. But why the hell is it so bloody fat and obese?:t-banghea:t-banghea:t-banghea:t-banghea:t-banghea
They could just have used very thick camo!
Be patient mate!
very nice front,but back part of car is ugly... :S
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^thats fly..with some fine tuning
^^Nice Jaguar XK/Aston chop there. LOL
Ending all speculation, Porsche has confirmed that it will debut a new supercar concept at the 2011 Detroit Auto Show that starts in January. Though the company refrained from providing more details, the vehicle is expected to have a twin-turbo V8-powered engine capable of producing 600 hp.
In addition, the supercar is to be a mid-engined machine with an AWD system. Also, the body can be expected to incorporate a considerable amount of carbon fiber for lightness.
In fact, suggestions are abound as to what kind of a vehicle Porsche will present at the show ranging from a production-ready version of the 918 Spyder Hybrid concept, the Cayman CS or a coupe version of the Panamera dubbed 928. Other rumors indicate a new model between the 911 and 918.
It was reported earlier in December that Porsche’s new supercar concept will share key components from the 918 Spyder concept that made its debut at the 2010 Geneva Auto Show.
Porsche spokesman Hans- Gerd Bode stated that the company will make a comeback with a “spectacular new concept that points towards a future road going model.
“We’ll have something spectacular to show there. You’ll have to wait and be surprised.” Bode added.
According to AutoZeitung, the new model will be called the 929. Similar to the 918 Spyder, the new concept is expected to have a hybrid drivetrain that will combine a 4.8 liter V8 Biturbo engine with three electric motors.
Incidentally, this is Porsche’s first official presence at the Detroit show since 2007 and the return is part of the ever-expanding Volkswagen Group line-up.