Discussion in 'E-Class' started by ree, Jun 30, 2009.
Im not speaking about C63, CLS63. Standard CLS and I speak about e63 reviews in this thread.
Mercedes-Benz E 63 AMG Estate (2011) long-term test review
A naturally aspirated 6.2-litre V8 vs a twin-turbo 5.5-litre V8 – 19 July 2011
By the CAR road test team
No, I haven’t moved to Germany and re-registered my E63 – this is a snap from the launch of the new, improved E63, the headline of which is the addition of the new 5.5-litre bi-turbo engine. All things considered, it’s a triumph – it’s 22% more efficient, still sounds great and it’s faster too, with a real thump to the mid-range. The turbos also bring the possibility of easy tuning, which AMG has capitalised on – 30-40% of customers are spending around £6.5k on the Performance Package, boosting the new car’s figures from 518bhp and 516lb ft (versus 518bhp and 464lb ft for my naturally aspirated 6.2) to 549bhp and 590lb ft.
The only downside with the new turbocharged engine is that it doesn’t sparkle as brightly at the top end and doesn’t rev as highly – I was denied a downchange a few times, when I know my car would have indulged me.
I also got to drive the car on track, where it felt like downshifts were being denied – yet often they weren’t, it was because the engine sounded so similar between around 5000 and 6000rpm that I couldn’t actually tell the difference.
But if I had to choose one or the other, I’d vote for the new 5.5.
It was also interesting to see a couple of spec differences on this test car – it didn’t have the expensive Alcantara covering on the rooflining, pillars and sun visors, and, actually, it didn’t spoil the ambience quite as much as I expected.
The test car was also fitted with the optional carbon ceramic brakes. Now, I’ve always thought the standard E63 brake pedal is a little spongy at the top, and I’ve felt the stoppers going off a couple of times after some admittedly very hard cross-country runs late at night – not surprising in a car weighing nearly two tonnes. I didn’t get to drive the carbon-equipped car as hard or for as long as it took my own brakes to wilt, but I did notice that the brake pedal still felt a little spongy in normal use. Provisional verdict? Stick with the almost-always-up-to-it six- and four-pots that you get from the factory.
Source: Mercedes E63 AMG Estate (2011) long-term test review | Road Testing Reviews | Car Magazine Online
Not sure I can agree with you on the new BMW setup. More than one journalist pointed out the C63 (old hydraulic setup) has better steering feel than the current M3, so is the 6.2 E63 to the E60 M5 if i remember correctly. And I think the new 6er is not particularly noted for the way it drives. However engineers could make magic happens. The E39 M5 with an old recirculating ball setup somehow managed better steering feel than its contemporaries with rack and pinion, that included its Z8 sibling. I can't wait for the comparison between the new M5 and this new TT E63.
Im not talking about C63. I only talk a about standard version of CLS and AMG version of the latest E63. Just read the reviews posted in this thread. The new steering added to these cars are getting negative opinions. We just have to accept that AMG arent perfect
What I said was pointing at you saying the new BMWs are good in the steering department. I have read the reviews and I did notice the complains. Lets wait and see how BMW can do with the new M5.
I didnt say the steering in M are perfect but lack of steering feedback isnt the problem. But Yes lets wait and see what the Media says about the new M5 but if its anything close to 1M then it should be alright
(Gosh, I`m pretty late here again and wanted to prove some points, I`ll let it go for now.)
Thanks for that reply. I`ve I was going to dig that up.
It shows my point in a simplifed fashion.
^No, don't let it go, please do prove your points. I am all ears. After gems like "It uses eletronics to beef up feel and feedback" and
"The MB steering algorithm is quit different", it should be a good laugh, at the least. BTW, am curious, what is "MB steering algorithm"? Did they reveal it to you for you to know it is "quite different"?
And no, you were not going to dig anything up, you are just firing peanuts from someone else's shoulders.
As for what WG posted (and no disrespect to him, I know he is just posting press release), some marketing glib doesn't change physics. Like I said before, increasing steering effort is not same as increasing true road feel, though lot of manufacture's try to spin it that way cause reducing steering assistance is easy to do with electrical/hybrid steering systems. In fact, I would argue road feel depends more on suspension setting than steering setting. If that press release claimed mode S+ changes suspension setting (which it does) and that increases road feel, I could buy it, but that is not what it claims - maybe poor wording, bad translation or just marketing bs. If you can demonstrate how decreasing steering assistance, increases actual road feel, please do.
Sunny? I`m short on time again and it`s killing me!!!
this is the price of having 3-full time jobs. I`ll have to respond later...
Here are some positive reviews
"Steering is spot on with delightful feedback and road-holding stability that borders on slot car efficiency and preciseness. "
read more:-->> » Test Drive: 2012 Mercedes-Benz CLS 63 AMG Sedan* iVeho – Auto Reviews and Auto News: Latest auto reviews and news
"As good as it sounds, the 2012 Mercedes CLS63 sets new highs for AMG steering feel and response. Handling is just as good. On the narrow, undulating serpentine coast route, this two-ton sedan seemed to shrink to the size of a sports car as it dug in and spit out hairpins, switchbacks and any other odd twist the road threw at it." Read more: 2012 Mercedes-Benz CLS63 AMG, an AW Flash Drive Car Review - AutoWeek
"Turn in hard toward an apex and the CLS63's new electromechanical steering system, in conjunction with an AMG-tuned suspension highlighted by a steel coil spring setup at the front, Benz's Airmatic suspension at the rear, and sticky 19-inch ContiSportContacts tires contacting the asphalt, conspires to deliver excellent turn-in response, flat cornering, and a feeling of utter composure -- switchback after switchback."
Read more: 2012 Mercedes Benz CLS63 AMG Chassis - Motor Trend
'In fact, for a vehicle with a curb weight of over 4,100 pounds and a length of 197 inches, the CLS AMG test cars we sampled felt remarkably willing to change direction, with a front-strut suspension that proved willing to tuck the nose in when given more power and a rear air setup that avoided feeling floaty while delivering excellent ride quality.' READ MORE: First Drive: 2012 Mercedes-Benz CLS63 AMG
"The steering—controlled by a fat, somewhat oversized, Alcantara-wrapped wheel—is a touch too light but very precise, and the adjustable suspension allows only minimal body roll," read more: 2012 Mercedes-Benz CLS63 AMG Drive: Mercedes CLS Review
"From a pure driving standpoint, the car is responsive in its handling, powerful enough to be highly entertaining and comfortable and quiet." -- (AutoWeek)
"With all the zigging and zagging, we got to know the CLS's new electromechanical power steering (Mercedes calls it a world first for the segment), which provided a direct, balanced feel in every situation we encountered, high speed or low." -- (Motor Trend )
"The long sides of the CLS are sharply sculpted and flow into tightly coiled haunches-the work of American-born, Art Center College-trained, Korean designer Hubert Lee, 37, the head of M-B's California advanced design studio. Wraparound LED taillamps are a beautiful high-tech link from sleek side to broad rear." -- (Automobile Magazine " ) read more: 2012 Mercedes-Benz CLS Reviews, Pictures and Prices - U.S. News Rankings and Reviews
"Driving it, though, provides the greatest insight into the appeal of this gorgeous German creation. The CLS 63 AMG is a much-changed beast from its predecessor (which is actually still on sale briefly as a 2011 model). Put plainly: It’s vastly sportier. Mercedes-Benz claims a 50 percent reduction in body roll and you feel that difference after only a few hard corners. If the original CLS was a bit of a boat, this is a sports car, albeit a large one."
Likes? "steering feel and feedback" read more: 2012 Mercedes-Benz CLS 63 AMG: Its own animal - Sympatico.ca Autos
Click on the link in my post for the long version talking how S+ changes the suspension.
Yea, I know it changes the suspension setting and I completely get it if they claimed that the change in suspension setting increases the road feel. But the claim verbatim was - "...the driver will discern reduced steering assistance – which tends to result in a better road feel" - which seems to imply that the better road feel is a direct result of the reduced steering assistance and nothing else. Which is why I think it is probably just bad wording, poor translation or just plain old marketing spin.
Like I said three times already, its not C63 or CLS63 with steering issues. Its the E63 with steering issues, obviously the setup is different from CLS which is kinda sad.
I cannot explain why, but this car appeals me more than the CLS, which almost makes me guilty, given that I "should" like the CLS more, design-wise."
No need to explain. I like the E's design more than the CLS as well, and I like the W211's more than the previous CLS's. Just more timeless and powerful/stately looks, which tend to wear on my eyes better than more flashy looks a'la CLS.
K-A, just saw a W212 that was set up exactly like yours, except a 63 and in black. Looked stunning!
Its a mystery to me how Benz fans can like the CLS at all. E-class looks better than the sloppy CLS.
I like the CLS. I guess i'm one of the few who think its the best looking car in the lineup :S