Jaguar XK's chief engineer discusses the challenges, benefits of building with alumin

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  1. GTA8.5 Well-Known Member

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    Ok, your a little too defensive of your favorite brand, lighten up man. No one is getting hurt. I only posted one link in this thread, just one.
    GTA8.5, May 21, 2006
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  2. Just_me Premium Member

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    me defensive, maybe but you are way too agressive against BMW so that even out.
    Just_me, May 22, 2006
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  3. Osnabrueck Well-Known Member

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    Ok, so here's the quote from the link you posted:

    Handling, despite the occasional flex in the chassis, is excellent.

    Lordy me! It sounds as though the 6er has a REAL SERIOUS PROBLEM.

    Getting back on topic, Jag shouldn't throw stones in glass houses. The 6er is more powerful, less expensive and trounces it in virtually every quantifiable measure.

    In the end, the XK will justify itself to those who love the look and trappings of a British coupe. I'll admit - the impression I got sitting down in the cabin was very similar to the feeling I got in Aston DB9. Certainly not a bad thing. Those sold on the car's front-end styling will eat up the car's curves, which look every bit like a true exotic.
    Osnabrueck, May 22, 2006
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  4. GTA8.5 Well-Known Member

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    So that makes us equally guilty, we need a germancarforum Judge and jury, The hammers down.
    GTA8.5, May 22, 2006
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  5. Just_me Premium Member

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    yep, you got that right ;)
    Just_me, May 22, 2006
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  6. warot Well-Known Member

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    Have you ever experienced any body flex on any cars? I'm not even familiar with what that actually is (maybe because I haven't driven hard enough). I'm just saying that the 6er isn't going to fall apart as soon as you take a corner.
    warot, May 22, 2006
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  7. Snake Vargas New Member

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    Well, I'm not sure if it's exactly what they mean, but I can experience body flex when I drive off a cambered road and on to a sloping driveway at an acute angle (ie. not straight on to the driveway). The torsion of, say, the right front wheel going up the driveway, the left rear wheel being on the high side of the camber, and the left front and right rear wheels being on the low part of the camber (ie. about in the gutter) sometimes makes things creak in the body.

    FYI?

    Anyhow, I don't mind too much. If I buy a convertible that isn't made out to be a full on sports car, I don't expect so much out of it. A little flex isn't going to harm me.
    Snake Vargas, May 22, 2006
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  8. Just_me Premium Member

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    "Body Flex is a lack of rigidity in a motor vehicle's chassis. It is often something to be avoided by car manufacturers as higher levels of body flex is a sign of structural weakness, and means that the vehicle's suspension cannot work as efficiently - the body takes up some of the 'slack', rather than the parts of the car which were specifically designed for this purpose. Cars of a sporting nature are, therefore, often very 'stiff', while convertibles or cabriolets are not often considered to be good candidates for high-performance sports cars because of their lack of a rigid roof."

    Source: Wikipedia
    Just_me, May 22, 2006
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  9. warot Well-Known Member

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    I can tell what body flex implies (thanks for the explanation though), but I'm asking if most of us have ever experienced body flex and made us cringe when that happened? My answer is no...
    warot, May 22, 2006
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  10. Just_me Premium Member

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    NSL own a BMW 650i Cabriolet and read here if he has noticed any body-flex.

    http://germancarforum.com/showpost.php?p=66219&postcount=28
    Just_me, May 22, 2006
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  11. GTA8.5 Well-Known Member

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    My point exactly, great find Just_me. You have the ability to be even handed, Karma my man...
    GTA8.5, May 22, 2006
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  12. GTA8.5 Well-Known Member

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    Yes I have warot, much like what Snake decribed.
    GTA8.5, May 22, 2006
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  13. NSL Editor

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    I have felt this in a CLK Cabrio actually..... by going fast, turning and going over rail roads at the same time. Also in a Jaguar XJ6, and a whole bunch of Chrysler and GM cars. Ugly sensation that the car is splitting in half.

    Palm Springs Life Magazine :D ... not sure if this magazine can be taken seriously as a reliable source of information on cars other than perhaps which cars are good for driving to South California vineyards... If you read, you can tell this person is actually describing the convertible behavior based on common knowledge of basically chopping off the roof and losing rigidity (which is in most cases what happens with other manufacturers in the lower-range of the spectrum), but the author probably didn't even test drive the 645CiC and mentions the typical body flex response you get from convertibles based on its definition. Even the SL will have that with those premises. :thumbdwn:
    There's a lot of engineering going on at the higher end like SL, 6er, 911 Cabrio, etc that nulls out any of these structural problems inherited by chopping a roof.

    Well, back in topic here, I hope Jaguar gets it right this time.
    NSL, May 22, 2006
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  14. Osnabrueck Well-Known Member

    They did or didn't based on your point of view. If you're won over by the irrational qualities of a British coupe, and like the front-end styling, then the shortcomings and high price-tag of the XK will seem moot. The motor also has a soundtrack that sounds like a car sounds in your head. It's like: "VHROOOOMMMMMMMMEEEE...." Quite nice.
    Osnabrueck, May 22, 2006
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