Discussion in '5 Series' started by EMpower, Jun 25, 2009.
Hardly. BMW V8 TT >>>>> Porsche V8 TT
Not really. The E63 AMG W212 is faster than a Panamera Turbo around a race track, for example.
Wow then i missed something..
If so then BMW should be able to spank its ass..
By the way..:
Remarkable gain in performance around a track for the new E63..given that its more or less the same engine..
No you haven't. The Panamera has been faster than the E63 by a large margin in most tests. Only in one or two test has the Benz come on top. The E63 is not a superior performance saloon.
That's the W211.
I'm talking about the W212.
Like Kowlaski said that is the old E63. The new one only is .3secs slower than Panamera Turbo around the Hockenheim and I believe faster in another test. And I don't think there have been more than 2 comparisons between the two. Add the Panny's price tag into the equation and E63 wins hands down.
ps. I am surprised I am going to bat for E63, but MB got that car right.
^yeah man thats the old E63...
Big up to MB then
And they will ^^^
The Panamera Turbo is too big, too heavy and too much underpowered. 500 hp is not going to cut it. Maybe a Panamera Turbo S in the future....
Fixed that for you.
500 horsepower was an incredible figure for a "super" sports saloon 6, 5, 4 years ago, but it no longer cut the mustard these days. Even the Jaguar XFR, which I like it very much, I reckon it's somewhat underpowered with "only" 510 bhp.
I'm pretty sure Jaguar could have easily extracted 550 or 560 bhp out of the supercharged 5.0 V8. Why on earth they held back? I have no idea... hmm... a more powerful XFR-R is in the works, perhaps??? Who knows...
The weight for the Porsche is 1,970kg (DIN) which includes 68kg for the driver and 7kg for luggage. I don't want to disappoint you but the M5 is going to be pretty much that weight based on the weight increase for the lower F10 models.
I do agree though that 500bhp is maybe not enough and the M5 should be quicker than the Panamera Turbo.
Shame about the weigth.
And the Porsche is lower than the M5 so it may have a lower centre of gravity (this could be a grey area as the M5 may have a CFRP).
Any idea what type of transmission is expected in F10 M5, and how many speed? As we've learned that BMW is moving into 8-speed for the rest of lineup, wonder what's cooking for M5?
My money is on 7 speed DCT and probably optional manual for the US market.
I don't know...if tuned right the 8 might make the cut, giving the 8th the gear for the highway cruiser to bring up the MPG numbers.
Webversion from CAR.
BMW will launch the new M5 in 2011, the super saloon variant of the F10-series new 5-series family. Our artist's impression reveals how the hot Five will look at launch next March, after a show debut in late 2010 or early 2011.
We have the full four-page lowdown from Georg Kacher in the latest January 2010 issue of CAR Magazine, but here are some nuggets to whet your appetite:
• 4.4-litre V8 bi-turbo
• 578bhp, 530lb ft
• 155mph limited top speed
• 0-62mph 4.4sec
• Unlimited top speed 188mph
That direct-injection 4.4 lump is the same engine you'll find under the hood of the X5 M and X6 M, but further tweaked by M Division to liberate more power. Forced induction makes it the first M saloon to be turbocharged.
Will there be a new BMW M5 Touring?
Not this time. Dog owners in a rush will have to shop at the neighbouring Audi or Mercedes showrooms for RS and AMG variants.
We interview Klaus Draeger in the new issue of CAR Magazine, and he discusses the need to downsize and explains how even the new M5 will benefit from Efficient Dynamics.
New M5 cleans up its act
Yes, even BMW's fastest saloon now concentrates on lowering its CO2. Internal targets are gunning for a 30% drop in emissions and consumption.
Find out exactly how BMW has achieved that and read about the latest Munich developments in active aerodynamics in the latest January 2010 issue of CAR Magazine, on sale now.
Is there a pic of the front?
That engine will be a monster.. kinda sad that they arent making a new one from scratch as the tradtion is..but i guess we live in a diffrent world now..
I have to give credit where it's due.. the new E63 has really had an amazing transformation from the W211. The AMG guys realised it wasn't all about hp and torque...I imagine gearing was changed, and from all accounts the chassis dynamics have been greatly improved. Great work by MB and AMG on the new E63!
As for the upcoming M5.... with the forced-induction, it's gonna have an amazing bhp/L figure, far ahead of any M5 before it, and certainly superior to its competitors. I'm not that well informed on engine output, so my question is: how is it that BMW produce an engine which achieves such high hp figures with only a 4.4L TT engine?
Its the TT part that does it.. its not easy even with TT..but it can be done..
I belive MB will update the E63 with the FL of the E..just in time to match the new M5..
Should be E50 or 55 AMG..and have a Turbo 5l V8.. with about 580 hp
I think that's pretty much been confirmed by SCOTT that the new M5 will indeed have a CFRP roof.
But you do make a good point about the Panamera most likely having a lower center of gravity, but you never know when it comes to BMW and M-Division. Surprises comes standard.