Discussion in 'Internal Combustion' started by HighestOfHigh, Mar 1, 2011.
Anyways, yes, the ugly fat VAG pig.
If this vote was based solely on appearance and styling then hands down my vote would go to the One-77 as it is without doubt the most elegance design of the lot, after that it would be Avebtador, Huayra, Veyron and Agera R.
Each of these cars has pushed the engineering envelope to the extreme and no electric, hybrid or any other car and future tech will for now and in the distant future come close.
In the end there is one choice and IMO no car will ever match the engineering prowess made by the Bugatti Veyron. The ultimate SUPER car of our lifetime:bowdown:
I mean W16 Quad Turbo! Come on!
DeDe posted this today: http://www.germancarforum.com/bugatti/36758-autocar-road-test-bugatti-veyron-super-sport.html
NIRVANA: McLaren F1 (NEW ONE)
1. Lamborghini Aventador (a beast)
2. Pagani Huayra (a killer)
3. Aston Martin One-77 (a beauty)
4. Bugatti Veyron (a pig? this car makes me nothing, but of course can't say anything against +1000 HP powerful 16 cylinders)
5. Koenigsegg Agera R (??? what is this? a russian wanabe supercar? a Pagani doesn't look good, but at least it is special. a car without taste, soul and emotion, but not in the way the MP4-12C is)
I agree with everything you have said but for me the Bugatti represents the 'I am gonna do it my way no matter what, feck you" attitude that I find it very appealing.
The Chief of Staff...
...Admiral Bugsy Veyron himself!
No freakin contest.
I voted for the big Vey, but Pagani and the Lambo give me serious pause for thought. The Lambo is relatively impressive given its price within this group. Whereas the Aston, sort of does not belong in this group, in my opinion--perhaps in price and power yes, but I feel it is more of a Grand Tourer.
Whoever has the means to purchase any of these cars, most likely has the means to purchase all, though may not be inclined to want them all. Whoever has a Bug, will likely get a Lambo for light days, but may not even want to cast an eye on the Koenniggssegg or the Pagani.
I see some folks here are still at their most complimentary best. Gotta love ‘em...
I’ve been waiting eagerly for this poll and I’m happy with the options presented. High-end supercars, hypercars, call them what you will but these are the big contenders in this part of the ultra performance spectrum. I’ve been mulling over the choice for some time now, completely incapable of reaching a definitive conclusion. This is how I view the protagonists in this poll:
Bugatti Veyron Super Sport
Call it whatever you want but there’s no denying that the Veyron SS doesn’t just occupy the top step of the performance car podium – it owns it. Unrestricted and unrestrained by the limits of tyre technology, the Veyron SS will run to a colossal 431 km/h. That’s a full 51 km/h faster than its nearest rival here: the Pagani Huarya’s claimed top end of 380 km/h. Even limited to 415 km/h, there just is nothing to touch the Veyron’s combination of sheer pace and pure opulence. It’s a remarkable feat for sure. The Veyron’s main problem is that it’s not the prettiest looking thing – it’s still a bit of a blob, though I’m told that in the flesh it’s got massive presence – and it is on the heavy side too.
Lamborghini LP700-4 Aventador
Surely one of the last supercars to eschew forced induction for a high-revving, naturally aspirated experience instead. The Aventador is the bargain hypercar in this company and whilst it’s as safe a progression that Lamborghini could’ve have realised in the next iteration of its iconic V12, mid-engined lineage, underneath it all is a machine of resolute intent and exotic construction. Don’t be mislead by the on-paper numbers; what the LP700 lacks in torque, relatively speaking, as a result of normally aspirated induction limits, it makes up for in producing maximum power a full 3000 rpm higher than the Huayra. This longer rev range can be exploited with torque-multiplying, shorter gear ratios for blistering acceleration and a manic, quintessential supercar experience. A third of the price of a Huayra it may be but by no means is it even half the car – it’s much closer than that. As paradoxical as it is, the Aventador is good value for money. Oh, and it gets off the mark to 100 km/h in 2.9 secs. Phew! Impressive for the cheapie wouldn’t you say?
Resplendent in its new two-tone unpainted carbon fibre and red livery for Geneva, the Pagani Huayra is the world’s most exquisite supercar art form. Coupled with the more restrained black with red trim interior, the new colour scheme as shown does the Huayra’s controversial body shape much more justice than the gold paint scheme of the press reveal car. As ever, the quest for perfection extends to the minutest details and the level of the craftsmanship is just breathtaking. With its 730 hp, 1100 Nm V12 twin turbo, it’ll also be a very rapid machine and its capabilities will extend beyond straightline performance given Pagani’s experience with the Zonda R. My only reservation is the AMG M158 engine – not in the numbers, of course – but in character of the thing. I just can’t reconcile myself that the world’s most exotic supercar makes its maximum power at a low 5000 rpm from an old-fashioned 3-valve, SOHC turbo V12. Sure, it’s wrong to expect a big capacity turbo 12 to rev to nigh-on stratospheric levels but there will be a sense of occasion and emotion that I feel will be missed by Zonda owners. All the same, the Huayra is a monumental achievement all things considered.
If I had all the money in the world, I wouldn’t buy a Koenigsegg. They leave me cold and uninspired in spite of the fact that they are amongst the very best performers in the supercar echelon. I don’t like the way it looks inside or out nor am I convinced that Koenigsegg has the heritage or credentials to compete with the other cars here because – dare I say it – it’s just not a particularly classy supercar. Its floating roof upon wrap-around windscreen looks like a crash helmet and the rear-end styling is bland. It sure is fast I’m certain but then nothing here is particularly docile either.
Aston Martin One-77
I hear they’re only going to make just 77 of these ultra-Astons. Good. I wouldn’t want one anyway. This is a brand-building halo car that sits on one end of a model range waiting to be joined on the opposite end by the CO2 average emissions reducing Cygnet. To me it’s a cynical, self-serving exercise (fair enough, what supercar project isn’t?) that is way over-priced relative to something like the Aventador. If the Lambo is good supercar value, the One-77 isn’t. It also lacks the one thing that Aston Martins are synonymous with: sheer, absolute, serene beauty.
So the time has come, I suppose, for me to stick my neck out and make a choice....
Hmmm... still thinking...
Their can only be one winner. Think engineering prowess and look at the top of your own list, the mastery behind the world's most extreme and expensive super car....I don't wanna influence you Martin, just saying
If it's a pig, it is the most powerful and glorious pig to ever exist on the planet.
I love it! Thanks Martin for the detailed post!
HoH's poll question is: Who deserves the throne?
In this context then, my choice is rather more simple (discarding any personal prejudices that might influence my thinking) and thus:
It is the machine.
Mmmhhhh Aventador seems too heavy...
for me the faster on straight is teh Agera R, the better on track could be the Pagani
As an engineering achievement then the only car worthy of the crown is the Bugatti, unlike the others it pushed the boundaries and required new techniques and technologies to achieve the demanded figures expected of it, none of the others do this, they are still well wide of the mark set by the Veyron. The very fact that the Veyron is still so easy to drive compared to the other and with close on 400hp more than most here (Arega the exception) and still be so refined while doing it blows the minds of everyone lucky enough to get the experience of driving one.
In fact the other supercar in my mind that might give the Veyron a run from a technical prespective is the new MP4-12c. It's a shame it wasn't included here.
Leave the MP4-12C out of this. It competes with the 458 Italia and the Gallardo, to be fair, the next one. Do you know how it is going to be called?
In very fact it is the Veyron the HYPERCAR, not the Carrera GT, not the Enzo, not the MC12. The Veron took the throne of the McLaren F1. The MP4-12C being for now only the first model, it is very interesting if the F1 succesor take back its seat.
Supercars: R8, Gallardo, F430, (MP4-12C)
Super-Supercars: Murcielago, 599
Hyper-Supercars: Carrera GT, Enzo, MC12, Pagani, Koenigsegg
Hypercars: F1, Veyron
I thought that was the fat VAG pig that the VAG haters were moaning about.
btw, VAG products number 1 and 2 in this poll.
Now that you have highlighted this fact just watch are see how their vote stop climbing.
I voted for the Borg's Veyron - and stand by it ALTHOUGH that was the last time
Sorry, but its hard to digest, that nearly all the automotiv industry belongs to VAG: VW, Skoda, Seat, Audi, Lamborghini, Bugatti, Bentley, Porsche, Bertone and could be even Rolls Royce. The worst thing is that they are all the same. I like the A3 Concept, but I don't like that the VW Polo has the same line, than down one going back around the rear fender. I also don't like very much that the Aventador has the same MMI system as the Audi do. At least in the Rolls Royce BMW changed the buttons and the system design, eventhough have the same system and functions.
Yeah but in the case of the RR if had of been under VAG control they wouldn't have needed to change the buttons/switch because they are of a high enough quality standard already.
1. Koenigsegg, don't really like those stripes but otherwise :bowdown:
2. Lambo, yes a VAG product but never mind that.
4. Pagani, massive improvement compared to the Zonda, IMO.
5. Bugatti, I have always hated the bug, this one is much better than the normal one though.