Discussion in 'New Porsche Models / Vehicles' started by tristatez28lt1, Apr 10, 2012.
Martin Winterkorn et al, have some ambitious targets for 2018, and a smaller Panamera could work if they manage to replicate the technical superiority the Panamera has over its peers. But Porsche ought to be careful not to grow to quickly. Most of the dealerships are rather small in size and making dealership owners shit bricks every time a new model is launched won't be good. Even accommodating the various 911 configurations require dealerships to have a parking lot that's level with Wallmart.
Then, I think about the engines, I think we'll just see the 3.0l V6 60° (300-400 PS) and the 4.0l V8 90° (450-550 PS). The same for the boxer engines, H4 (280-360 PS), H6 (420-540 PS). I don't know where the 3.6l V can come from.
A 3 box shape would be a disaster. For the car to succeed it must have an exotic appeal like a coupe shape.
So, 911, Cayman, Boxster, Cayenne, Panamera, Pajun and the small Cayenne. It's the VW way, fill every niche with latter type brands.
The Panamera is ulgy as hell. A 3 box coupé sedan, like the BMW GranCoupé is the best shape possible. Now mix that with the 911/981/918 design and you have a beautiful and sproty 4 door sedan coupé.
I don't see it in a negative way. I see it like a BMW/Mercedes-attack.
929: S Class Coupé/Convertible
911: 6 Series Coupé/Convertible, SL Class
Panamera: 7 Series Sedan, 5 Series GT, CLS Class
Pajun: 4 Series Coupé/Convertible/GranCoupé, CLC Class
Cayenne: X5, X6, ML Class, MLC Class
Macan: X3, X4
Boxter/Cayman: 2 Series, Z4, SLK Class
"Golf/Scirocco": 1 Series, A Class
The Pajun Turbo (Sedan/Coupé) might be the biggest the M3 ever had. (Not to forget the next Lexus IS-F also.)
Porsche shouldn't be a mainstream premium brand like Audi or BMW. Should be a sports car brand with low volume. People cheerish that exclusivity.
It is already long ago Porsche is no more a headturner or an exclusive brand as Ferrari, Maserati, Lamborghini and Aston Martin. However I wish to own a Porsche more than ever, and more than any of the other exotics, though I like them. I don't say you are wrong, but it is already too late.
The Problem with VW is that they are intent to show they could without stopping to think if they should.
Take the Bentley SUV for example. Nobody is denying the potential of such a car because the market exists it was merely a question of judgement. Especially how a car so blatantly ill-conceived and noveau riche in appearance was approved by the VAG board?
A Panamera Junior would work especially because it is a segment that cultivates demand. An entry Porsche below the Boxster does not sit well with the current Porsche strategy - The Boxster should remain the entry car , The Boxster in its current form just oozes that "my first Porsche feeling". The Macan again is something else that cultivates demand because it is a strong prospect for a strong segment and also a growth segment.
Are you serious? Both the Cayenne and Panamera are ugly as hell yet they still sell like hotcakes. There's nothing exotic about hose cars, other than the logo.
It doesn't have any, other than being a bit newer and thus a bit better..
Drive a Panny and then come back and tell me it doesn't feel superior...........until that point this is just babbling, the only negative I can level at the Panny is it's sheer width which on country B roads makes you less confident to push it as hard as it is clearly capable of going.
That's why they have the 911.
Agreed. Klier is severely discounting how incredible the Panamera is. The 2,000kg+ out runs lighter and more powerful coupes like the DBS and LP560. It's beyond "better" and this is with a 550hp V8 that has been used since the mk.I Cayenne.
Porsche might hav deviated for their two sweater roots but they have done it with class and dignity.
Another render by Autobild:
Shooting Brake render:
Will arrive the latest in 2017
completely new platform
starting at 65,000 Euros
V6 engines with 320hp, 420hp, 520hp
V6 diesel with 320hp
Another day another Porsche. I'd be vary of snorting these lines of rumors as it's getting out of hand. 2017 is a long time away and much can change in that time.
The end of this just reminds me of the new XF Estate.
Porsche CEO Müller has slammed on the brakes with regard to recent speculation. No sub-Boxster "baby" Porsche, sub-Panamera "Pajun" no earlier than 2017. In addition, sales volume expectations are very high for the soon to be released Audi Q5-based Macan.
Another couple Autobild.de renders:
The first render at the top of the page is simply mind blowing!!!!
Do it that way and not the Panamera way and I'm sold for life!!!!