And I was "simply" voicing all the instances of you lying. As to which one would cost more? Unlike you, I never professed to be involved in car industry nor any insider information, so I have no idea how much "modifications" we are talking about nor what the R&D costs will be for aforementioned unknown modifications, nor the materials cost, nor the tooling costs, nor the manufacturing costs. What I do know is most people with common sense and an education wouldn't say with any certainty which engine costs more or less with out any idea what these breakdowns are. But then again, may be you do know them like you knew all these other things...
Ditto, all I ever want to do is discuss the cars but Sunny continues to move the subject to personal and always seems to get away with it.
Same way you get away with even posting here despite being banned? But as unpleasant as it is you, I seriously doubt reminding one of all the times he/she lied is against the forum rules somehow. If you don't want that, consider making more sensible posts than - oh look BMW will use I6 instead of V6 cause it cheaper - with out a single piece of data to back anything. Of course you can also grow a pair and list the cars you claimed to have owned - if you can actually list them all, my offer to put you on ignore still stands.
Part two has started, so let us keep this thread clean and forget all the previous discussions, especially about that one "non-existant" engine, also I will not provoque any pointless debates. Latest stand: S55 based on N55 3.0l Twin-Turbo I6 (2 turbos, not 3 turbos) ~ 450 PS (150 PS/l) < 1550 kg (EU) These "specs" remind the ones we heard of, during the 1 Series M development.
^ I really hope you mean LESS than 1550 kg. More would be around the E92 M3, and the one based on the F30 is supposed to be lighter.... Edit; Actually, at 1580 kg, the car would still be 100 kg lighter than the E92! E92 is quite heavy really.... And are we talking about the new M3 sedan? Because the coupe will surely be lighter...(but that might be like 10 kg only, like the E90 vs E92)
If you look at quite a lot of road tests were they have weighed the E92 M3 you will find it quite often weighs between 1615~1630kgs, I've yet to see one where it's been official weight.
Not what I said but am I surprised. If you have an existing engine which you tweak can't possibly cost the same as chopping two cylinders off an V8, that what I am saying and if so this isn't the case then please show the evidence to prove I'm wrong in having this opinion (no fact I might add).
Ah, you edited Less than 1550 kg might be pushing it sadly. The E92 M3 weighs 1680 kg according to Wikipedia. Less than 1550 is a difference of 130 kg....would be damn awesome with 450 hp I6, but... Those roadtests probably didn't include a 68 kg driver, 7 kg luggage and 90% fuel tank If you make up stuff, YOU are the one to prove you're right. Not the other way around.
Wait, you mean making a blanket statement like with out any idea even if the I6 will be based on N55 or how much modified it will be or no data to back up what the costs will be is not having a sensible, well informed discussion? Come on man, stop getting personal.
My opinion has always been based on a modified 335i and at no point did I suggest anything other than that, of course if it's a new unseen engine then I wouldn't have made such an opinion. Please re-read the original post I wrote.
Your exact quote - One, you have no idea if the engine will be based on 335i. Even if it is a I6, doesn't meant it has to be based on N55 - at least not any more than S52 was based on N52. Two, you have no fcukin clue how modified it will be - are you claiming you know for a fact any amount of modifications - say adding a third turbo and the plumbing that goes with it will be cheaper than "chopping 2 cylinders of S63"? Three, you have no idea what the breakdown of costs are between R&D or material or tooling or manufacturing costs. Even if we for a second assume I6 will be cheaper to develop, it is very possible the V6 will recuperate the costs in manufacturing costs. You have none of this data and yet made a blanket statement with nothing to back up anything - like all those other preposterous claims you made here - want me list them again?
All I am saying is I haven't seen a test where the M3 weighed the quoted weight I can't confirm or deny whether this included driver etc. and nor can you confirm or deny this isn't the case. But if you have links to tests please show.
You can always find fake news here - like how M3 engine hasn't progressed from the 335i. I really wish posting in this thread was banned unless you actually have a real link to post. It is frustrating to find this thread on top and click on it to only find idiotic speculation.
:angryfire That symbol means "less", or it should be the other way round? 335i E90: 1610 kg (EU) 335i E92: 1600 kg (EU) M3 E90: 1655 kg (EU) M3 E92: 1680 kg (EU) The difference between the Sedan and the Coupé is small, because unlike the 5 Series and the 6 Series, both the 3 Series and the 4 Series have the same wheel base. Other interesting stat: (weight in DIN, but I can't get them 100 % accurate) M3 E30: 1200 kg, 215 PS (5,6 kg/PS) M3 E36: 1440 kg, 321 PS (+ 240 kg, + 106 PS = 4,5 kg/PS) M3 E46: 1490 kg, 343 PS (+ 40 kg, + 22 PS = 4,3 kg/PS) M3 E92: 1600 kg, 420 PS (+ 110 kg, + 77 PS = 3,8 kg/PS) M3 F82:1480 kg, 450 PS (-120 kg, + 30 PS = 3,2 kg/PS) Porsche 911 Carrera S (991): 1395 kg, 400 PS = 3,5 kg/PS M3 F80 will be on top 911 level.
E92 M3 (EU) = 1,655kg (1,675kg with M DCT) E46 M3 (EU) = 1,570kg If the F81 (? Coupe) is 1,550kg (EU) then I will be seriously impressed. It would be 20kg lighter than the E46 M3, and it will be a much bigger car, and turbocharged which means it will have a lot of extra tech and the requirement for stronger mechanicals to handle the much higher torque than what the E46 M3 had. I will believe it when I see it, but it's not impossible.
