I am trying to re-iterate the point that both are outgoing models , both are limited editions and both will continue alongside regular production models. There is also an interview with Dr.Segler when at M. When he announced the CSL name will return. And of course telling you that a new MINI GP is just weeks away...
Yeah, the Mini GP is great news for sure....but the wait for some real M3 facts are killing people here
It can't be otherwise. Carrera GT, Enzo, MC12, LFA, Reventòn and even R8 GT are all collector items. It will not be cheap, but there is alot that can be done. It could get a power upgrade up to 480 PS, whether 4.0l or 4.4l. Plus to CF roof, it could get hood and boot lid as in the CRT, maybe even inner panels as in the CSL, maybe even doors. Instead of a roll cage it could have lightweight rear seats. It could even get a wide bodykit. There are quite many things possible.
If it were to end up at M3GTS or above then it would be a crying shame and anyhow I doubt it will, top wack I think a figure of one and a half times the stock M3 would be the ideal price for a CSL.
Another 530HP M3 fighter by Infiniti, sharing technology with Nissan GT-R and will be built in same factory. Stiff competition with Lexus IS F, Cadillac ATS-V, C63 AMG, Audi RS4, etc. etc.
Just read the write up from the CAR magazine and they are claiming the engine is basically the same N54 from the 1M but with further tweaks by M-Division to gain the extra power, no mention of tri-turboing just good old fashioned twin-turbos.
^ Surely this is an M/Sport and not an M3 look-a-like because the middle section below the kidney grills is all wrong.
Well, i think in 2014 F1 engines will be v6 conf. so they might put v6 in an m3 and market it like they did with v10 in m5. But I dont know if they want to go back to F1
The idea of building a V6 had nothing to do with F1. It was for some advantages that a 90° V6 could offer. But because of the higher costs and BMW heritage, the I6 was chosen and will be, however some continued saying it was a V6. While the engine may not be special, you'll quickly forget this fact, as the +100 kg weightsaving will noticibly improve its dynamics.
All of the above amounts to nothing more than wild imaginings and Internet rumour-mongering. The day I see the BMW press release extolling the virtues of BMW's decision to go with a mechanically inferior engine configuration is the day I accept the fact that BMW has taken a cold, hard business decision that 35+ years' heritage of the best six cylinder engine lineage seen in the history of automotive progress is worth binning. The interesting thing for me and others who are mechanically astute is how BMW could possibly justify the superior configuration in the lesser, already here, 335i and forthcoming M Performance models. People claim to know, claim to be in on the in, but this truth (or non-truth) remains theirs only until the press release turns rumour into fact. And, until this happens, the case against a V6 is, given my best consideration, overwhelming. We're not talking about some Audi or Subaru here where the practice of hanging the engine out in front of an all wheel drivetrain is the ultimate mitigation afforded by a shorter engine block - we're talking about a rear wheel drive BMW. People talk of advantages but yet are summarily incapable of describing them adequately. Since when will a BMW inline six - naturally aspirated or force-fed - not be special but a V6 will be? A few people here fervently hope that I am wrong but none more so than me. This is out of little concern for my reputation, mind, but much more so for my appreciation of, simply, cars.
An I6 is special compared to a V6, but not for BMW, as they have always made such engines. Explain me in what way the engine in the 1 Series M is more special than in the 135i? That is too easy, it is the same. Explain me then in what way the coming I6 engine in the M3 is going to be more special than in the 335i? The diffrence between the engine in the 330i E46 and M3 E46 is evident. M3 E46 was always better than 330i E46, but in the case of the M3 E9X, it "lacks" low-end torque comapared to the 335i E9X. With the next generation, the M3 F80 will just be the (much?) better 335i F30, but other than the M badges, nothing special. I havn't seen the M3 F80 and don't know any deatils about it, so I hope I'm wrong. But the actual F30 is already one of the best BMW's, other than straight-line performance and weight reduction what more can be done? Not much. Again, I hope I'm wrong.
I doubt know how either is more superior than the other cause each have their advantages but in a way I can get the point you are making because as yet there is no details of how the engine has progressed from 335i to M3. It's like saying the F10 M5 engine isn't that special because it also sits in a normal BMW but when combined with all the other changes M-Division has done to the basic 5series still makes the M5 special so I am sure the same will hold true for the M3. The days of one-off engines appears to be at an end, sad I know but true simply because of costs, if theres no V6 under the hood then I'm sure that one of the reasos for this is modifying a 335i was much cheaper than chopping two cylinders off the S63. Who cares anyway, the choice of engine will no stop the M3 being one special machine as always.
And you know this the same way you knew RS5 would out perform M3 or the same way you knew A7 and Panamera shared a chassis or the same way you knew the Audi Quattro's price or the same way you thought Panamera used VAG V6 or the same way you knew Porsche trying to acquire a controlling stake in VAG was Piech's master plan? Which one is it?
I am simply voicing that in my opinion modifying an existing engine would be cheaper than chopping two cylinders off another but if you can share some words of wisdom as to how much those two options would cost then I for one would all love to hear it?
