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OFFICIAL 2013 McLaren P1 Supercar

Discussion in 'McLaren' started by Monster, Sep 18, 2012.

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Monster Global Moderator

Well I have found something that looked very similar to leaked official photos.........I really hope I am wrong.

Edit: Updated with high res photos from Mclaren's facebook page.

This is not what I have expected from Mclaren, it is interesting but not really appealing to me, have to wait for some real life photos to decide.

Monster, Sep 18, 2012

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Monteverdi Active Member

Confirmed by McLaren, it is a successor to the Mclaren F1, called P1.

Monteverdi, Sep 18, 2012

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martinbo Global Moderator / Editor

That's it Monster! Great scoop.

What an incredible looking 21st Century hypercar. Sensational! Makes the Huayra look like it's built in a shed. Bring on the Enzo successor, now it's game on.

Did I mention that I like this?

martinbo, Sep 18, 2012

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SKYSONY Well-Known Member

It will surely be a fantastic performance machine. Having said this, it looks like crap to my eyes. It reminds me one of those brand-less sportscars you see in the Gillete commercials.

SKYSONY, Sep 18, 2012

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Gianclaudio Well-Known Member

The lights evoke McLaren's logo..........

Gianclaudio, Sep 18, 2012

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HighestOfHigh Global Moderator

These are the first images of the McLaren P1, alternately known as the P12, the successor to the McLaren F1, or the next attempt at greatness for McLaren Automotive.

The McLaren P1 is intended to be, according to managing director Antony Sheriff, "the most exciting, most capable, most technologically advanced and most dynamically accomplished supercar ever made--not necessarily to be the fastest in absolute top speed but to be the quickest and most rewarding series production road car on a circuit."

This isn't the final production version of the P1, however. It's merely a design preview--the production version will be unveiled and go on sale sometime within the next 12 months.

- http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1079235_mclaren-p1-unveiled-ahead-of-paris-auto-show-debut

The teasing is over: McLaren has finally released three real images of its upcoming P1 supercar, which will debut next week at the Paris Motor Show. The car shown here is a “design study” that will be shown in Paris; the production McLaren P1 should debut next year and go on sale about 12 months from now. As we could infer from earlier teaser photos and teaser videos, the McLaren P1 is styled like an exaggerated version of the company’s current MP4-12C coupe. The rounded nose features a wide and deep lower lip, with big air scoops below each headlight and in the hood. Out back, a giant central exhaust sits above a contorted black diffuser that is likely designed to improve high-speed downforce. The car’s greenhouse is a narrow dome with steeply angled front and rear windshields — don’t expect much interior room for this performance-focused machine. The P1 is certainly much prettier than the weird one-off McLaren X1 that was shown at the Pebble Beach Concours d’Elegance.

Ultimate performance will be the primary goal of the McLaren P1, which is designed as a modern-day version of the company’s record-setting F1. The McLaren F1 debuted in 1992 with a claimed top speed in excess of 240 mph — but the new P1 will be even better.
“Twenty years ago we raised the supercar performance bar with the McLaren F1, and our goal with the P1 is to redefine it again,” company executive chairman Ron Dennis said in a statement. McLaren says the new supercar will be more powerful and more expensive than its current MP4-12C coupe and Spider. Despite that, McLaren isn’t going for an all-out top-speed record. Managing director Antony Sheriff said in a statement that the P1 would instead aim to be “the quickest and most rewarding series production road car on a circuit.” He also claimed the new McLaren would be the world’s “most exciting and most capable” supercar. Earlier rumors suggested the new McLaren could have as much as 799 hp, thanks to a 5.0-liter V-8 engine, and a price tag around $650,000. That would help the British automaker position its so-called “Mega Mac” to compete with the likes of the ultra-powerful Bugatti Veyron. Other purported specifications include aluminum pushrod suspension, a carbon-fiber monocoque, active spoilers, and carbon-ceramic brakes.

For reference, McLaren’s existing MP4-12C has a twin-turbocharged 3.8-liter V-8 engine that produces 616 hp and 443 lb-ft of torque. The 2013 MP4-12C coupe costs $241,800 (including delivery charges), while the Spider convertible is $268,250.

Source: McLaren

Read more: http://wot.motortrend.com/mclaren-p1-supercar-shown-ahead-of-paris-show-debut-262753.html#ixzz26qCEIFEB

HighestOfHigh, Sep 18, 2012

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martinbo Global Moderator / Editor

The word you're after is "evoke" is Gianclaudio. Your context is spot on, your spelling just evokes the unmentionable.

martinbo, Sep 18, 2012

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martinbo Global Moderator / Editor

SKYSONY said: ↑

Having said this, it looks like crap to my eyes. It reminds me one of those brand-less sportscars you see in the Gillete commercials.

Couldn't disagree more SKY, though each to their own. I think this Mega Macca looks spectacular. I'm even getting a bit of an F1 homage in there. Nostalgia meets the future - I'm rather excited by this. Bring on the tech specs!

martinbo, Sep 18, 2012

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SKYSONY Well-Known Member

martinbo said: ↑

Couldn't disagree more SKY, though each to their own. I think this Mega Macca looks spectacular. I'm even getting a bit of an F1 homage in there. Nostalgia meets the future - I'm rather excited by this. Bring on the tech specs!

Of course it looks spectacular, I mean, it´s just a monster. But even with that, it looks generic to my eyes.

SKYSONY, Sep 18, 2012

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Kilcrohane Member

SKYSONY said: ↑

it looks like crap to my eyes

it looks crap to anyone with eyes.

Wait for the inevitable "a design that polarises", "you don't know what you're talking about, it looks brilliant!" 'the emperor's new clothes'-type comments from offended fanboys.

It's not polarising, it's not 'beauty in the eye of the beholder', it's crap.

The similarly priced Porsche 918 is a thing of true beauty compared to this rubbish.

Kilcrohane, Sep 18, 2012

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martinbo Global Moderator / Editor

I appreciate your point of view SKY, but I reckon the MP4-12C is what's generic. This, on the other hand, can only be the modern day Son-of-F1.

martinbo, Sep 18, 2012

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Wunderkind Well-Known Member

Again, very Mansory. The two tone color scheme doesn't do the car any favors, but it is needed to show the styling details.

I hope we'll grow to love this car like we came to love the original McLaren F1.

Wunderkind, Sep 18, 2012

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-=Hot|Ice=- Well-Known Member

I love it.

-=Hot|Ice=-, Sep 18, 2012

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martinbo Global Moderator / Editor

What Autocar (with apologies to Kilcrohane) has to say about the new McLaren:

This is the McLaren P1, the company’s all-new “ultimate supercar”. McLaren says the project has one simple goal: “To be the best driver’s car in the world on road and track.” Sources say the new model is likely to produce around 960bhp with the help of a Formula 1-style kinetic energy recovery system (KERS). The P1 is not designed to outrun a Bugatti Veyron, say insiders; it is more about exceptional lap times.

The P1 is expected to cost £800,000, but with production limited to 500 models, the P1 production run may be sold out to existing McLaren clients and high-profile collectors without going on general public sale.

The car will be unveiled at the Paris motor show — McLaren Automotive’s first appearance at an international show — officially as a design study. The final production version will be shown next year, but it is expected to look almost identical to the car shown here. Its arrival will coincide with the 50th anniversary of McLaren.

The P1 is described as taking much of its “technological and spiritual inspiration from the company’s racing division”. McLaren Automotive executive chairman Ron Dennis says: “The P1 will be the result of 50 years of racing and road car heritage. Twenty years ago, we raised the supercar performance bar with the McLaren F1 and our goal with P1 is to redefine it once again.”

Antony Sheriff, managing director of the operation, says outright pace is not the objective of the new model. “Our aim is not necessarily to be the fastest in absolute top speed but to be the quickest and most rewarding series-production road car on a circuit. It is the true test of a supercar’s all-around ability and a much more important technical statement. It will be the most exciting, most capable, most technologically advanced and most dynamically accomplished supercar ever made.”

Ahead of the public unveiling, McLaren is refusing to give any more details about the car. However, Autocar has managed to uncover some of the P1’s secrets. Despite the car’s dramatic exterior, it has a very similar footprint to the MP4-12C. McLaren sources say the P1 retains the “everyday usability” of the MP4-12C, with the same deep windscreen, narrow A-pillars and relatively slim width. In fact, the P1 is shorter than a current Porsche 911. The interior will be different from the 12C’s, with bespoke switchgear, but it is unclear whether the basic architecture of the cabin will remain unchanged.

The dramatic styling — a deliberate move by McLaren styling boss Frank Stephenson — is said to express the deeply technical nature of the car. The aerodynamically significant areas of the exterior — sculpted by McLaren’s wind tunnel experts — are exposed in matt black and the surfaces that have been styled are body coloured. The new headlamp design hints at the McLaren logo and is tipped for the facelifted version of the 12C.

There are also stylistic nods to the McLaren F1 in the roof’s air scoop, the single ridge running through the door skin (although it tilts in the opposite direction on the P1) and the fighter-plane-style cockpit sitting proud of the rear deck.

The P1 uses a modified version of the MP4-12C’s carbonfibre Monocell. The same basic door frame and mechanism is also used on the P1, although the door skin now extends on to the front wing. The outer panels are made from carbonfibre and the P1 is said to weigh less than 1300kg. The rest of the understructure is thought to be significantly different from the 12C’s.

The front and rear aluminium subframes and suspension systems are believed to have undergone substantial redesigns. This is partly to accommodate a more advanced chassis, which is thought to incorporate cutting-edge active damping and active roll control, with the latter possibly hydraulically operated, working to effectively lock out the anti-roll bars and eliminate body lean.

Active aerodynamics are also tipped to be fitted to the car, which could mean a number of different systems. The concept’s pronounced (and flat-bottomed) side skirts could mean that the P1 can lower its ride height when it is on the track, which would significantly increase downforce.

The side skirts will certainly work in tandem with the P1’s fearsome rear diffuser. Other potential active aerodynamic systems could include air pumps (which pump air over crucial sections of the bodywork) and electronically controlled spoilers and flaps.

Judging by the shape of the P1, the engine and transmission could be sitting much lower in the rear of the car. It looks as though the centre of the rear deck is rather lower than it is on the 12C. It seems likely that the intake manifold has been redesigned to sit lower on top of the engine and the exhaust system redesigned and rerouted.

Also, judging by the huge air intakes feeding the P1’s engine compartment, there is a need to manage the high temperatures generated by the big hike in power. As well as the deep side intakes, there are also forward-facing vents mounted over the rear wheels, matched by large exhaust ports over the rear LED light strips.

The P1’s engine will not be a V10 or V12, and the latest information is that it will be a modified version of the 12C’s twin-turbo V8. Power will jump from just over 600bhp to about 800bhp at 9000rpm. This significant potential is supplemented by a KERS system — a pair of flywheels that can deliver up to 160bhp in short bursts.

As well as giving the car assistance out of corners on the track, the flywheels may also help to get the P1 away from standstill on the road. Fuel economy is said to be notably impressive for a hypercar, too.

Rumours suggest that the P1 will have a top speed of 239mph and a 0-60mph time of under three seconds. It is also said to have completely shattered the best lap time for a road-legal car at the Silverstone circuit.

One of the more interesting leaks from potential buyers who are said to have seen the car at the recent Pebble Beach gathering in California is that the P1 will be fitted with a new kind of acrylic windows, replacing conventional glass. Apparently, water rolls off this material, eliminating the need for windscreen wipers.

The arrival of the P1 next year is consistent with McLaren’s promise that it will launch a new car every year until 2020. It is also likely to be an investment for buyers. Just 108 F1s were made, originally costing £540,000 two decades ago; they now fetch up to £3.8 million at auction.

Source: http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/p...mclaren-p1-£800k-supercar-revealed-paris-show

martinbo, Sep 18, 2012

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Betty Swollocks Well-Known Member

martinbo said: ↑

What Autocar (with apologies to Kilcrohane) has to say about the new McLaren:

Never mind that. Do they think it's going to be better than the Jaguar XF?

Betty Swollocks, Sep 18, 2012

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martinbo Global Moderator / Editor

Betty Swollocks said: ↑

Never mind that. Do they think it's going to be better than the Jaguar XF?

Are you insane? This is Autocar we're talking about. The P1 will lose in a B-road battle from York to Reading against the XF 2.2D.

martinbo, Sep 18, 2012

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Hofmeister Active Member

Betty Swollocks said: ↑

Never mind that. Do they think it's going to be better than the Jaguar XF?

Dont you mean CX-75?

Hofmeister, Sep 18, 2012

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Gianclaudio Well-Known Member

martinbo said: ↑

The word you're after is "evoke" is Gianclaudio. Your context is spot on, your spelling just evokes the unmentionable.

Thank you. Believe me when I said I appreciate those corrections, it helps me a lot to improve my english

Regards!

Edit: Hoffmeister, don't forget to turn on the sarcasm meter!

Gianclaudio, Sep 18, 2012

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Guibo Well-Known Member

I like the front end but both it and the side view do look a little generic IMO. The rear looks like a mess; way too much stuff going on in the diffuser area.

Autocar said:

McLaren says the project has one simple goal: “To be the best driver’s car in the world on road and track.”

Antony Sheriff, managing director of the operation, says outright pace is not the objective of the new model. “Our aim is not necessarily to be the fastest in absolute top speed but to be the quickest and most rewarding series-production road car on a circuit. It will be the most exciting, most capable, most technologically advanced and most dynamically accomplished supercar ever made.”

Bold claims and eerily reminiscent of the claims they had made for the MP4-12C. Which we now know they've fallen short on. Will it happen again? Using a modified version of the MP4-12C wil make this tough, especially with Ferrari sticking to naturally aspirated V12s.

Guibo, Sep 18, 2012

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Kilcrohane Member

martinbo said: ↑

What Autocar has to say about the new McLaren:

Source: http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/p...mclaren-p1-£800k-supercar-revealed-paris-show

If you must post Autocar's report let's have some of the more astute and discerning readers' comments too. This about sums it up nicely:

Mmmhhh... 800k for a tarted-up 12C. Not bad. Same chassis, same engine (pumped up to 800 bhp, though), same windscreen, same basic door frame and mechanism... what about exclusivity? That's not made only by the price. It's quite ugly too. Rather ugly. Not my cup of tea, definitely. Let's wait for the F70. You can't buy experience when it comes to supercar manufacturing.

- and no, 'RednBlue' isn't me.

Kilcrohane, Sep 18, 2012

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