GRAND PRIX 2012 Monaco GP

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  1. Bartek S. Contributing Member

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    Pirelli expects wide variety of tactics for Monaco Grand Prix

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  2. Centurion Contributing Member

    Expect tons of fist shaking. Given how much problem traffic caused in China and Spain because drivers were on different strategies I'll expect more rear-end daggering like Schumi did on Senna.
  3. Bartek S. Contributing Member

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    FP1
    Pos Driver Team Time Laps
    1. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1m16.265s 22
    2. Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1m16.630s + 0.365 17
    3. Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1m16.711s + 0.446 19
    4. Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1m16.747s + 0.482 12
    5. Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1m16.760s + 0.495 20
    6. Felipe Massa Ferrari 1m16.843s + 0.578 19
    7. Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1m17.038s + 0.773 21
    8. Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1m17.190s + 0.925 13
    9. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1m17.222s + 0.957 14
    10. Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1m17.261s + 0.996 18
    11. Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1m17.413s + 1.148 14
    12. Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 1m17.631s + 1.366 18
    13. Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1m18.106s + 1.841 14
    14. Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m18.209s + 1.944 25
    15. Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m18.252s + 1.987 28
    16. Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1m18.302s + 2.037 16
    17. Bruno Senna Williams-Renault 1m18.617s + 2.352 20
    18. Heikki Kovalainen Caterham-Renault 1m19.039s + 2.774 20
    19. Vitaly Petrov Caterham-Renault 1m19.341s + 3.076 16
    20. Narain Karthikeyan HRT-Cosworth 1m20.838s + 4.573 26
    21. Charles Pic Marussia-Cosworth 1m20.895s + 4.630 18
    22. Timo Glock Marussia-Cosworth 1m21.638s + 5.373 9
    23. Pedro de la Rosa HRT-Cosworth 1m22.423s + 6.158 15
    24. Kimi Raikkonen Lotus-Renault 1



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    FP2

    Pos Driver Team Time Laps
    1. Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1m15.746s 14
    2. Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1m16.138s + 0.392 17
    3. Felipe Massa Ferrari 1m16.602s + 0.856 19
    4. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1m16.661s + 0.915 21
    5. Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1m16.820s + 1.074 18
    6. Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1m17.021s + 1.275 13
    7. Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1m17.148s + 1.402 21
    8. Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1m17.153s + 1.407 20
    9. Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1m17.293s + 1.547 9
    10. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1m17.303s + 1.557 19
    11. Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1m17.375s + 1.629 17
    12. Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1m17.395s + 1.649 19
    13. Bruno Senna Williams-Renault 1m17.655s + 1.909 18
    14. Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 1m17.800s + 2.054 23
    15. Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1m18.251s + 2.505 22
    16. Vitaly Petrov Caterham-Renault 1m18.440s + 2.694 23
    17. Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m18.522s + 2.776 20
    18. Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m18.808s + 3.062 24
    19. Kimi Raikkonen Lotus-Renault 1m19.267s + 3.521 23
    20. Timo Glock Marussia-Cosworth 1m19.309s + 3.563 27
    21. Heikki Kovalainen Caterham-Renault 1m20.029s + 4.283 13
    22. Charles Pic Marussia-Cosworth 1m20.240s + 4.494 19
    23. Pedro de la Rosa HRT-Cosworth 1m20.631s + 4.885 12
    24. Narain Karthikeyan HRT-Cosworth 1m20.886s + 5.140 10
  4. Bartek S. Contributing Member

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    Jenson he's my favoritie for Monaco.
  5. Centurion Contributing Member

    Welcome to Monaco guys!

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  6. Bartek S. Contributing Member

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    FP3

    Pos Driver Team/Car Time Gap Laps
    1. Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1m15.159s 25
    2. Felipe Massa Ferrari 1m15.197s + 0.038s 21
    3. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1m15.209s + 0.050s 20
    4. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1m15.210s + 0.051s 20
    5. Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1m15.445s + 0.286s 18
    6. Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1m15.471s + 0.312s 19
    7. Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1m15.734s + 0.575s 19
    8. Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1m15.893s + 0.734s 23
    9. Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1m16.110s + 0.951s 14
    10. Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1m16.219s + 1.060s 19
    11. Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m16.226s + 1.067s 20
    12. Kimi Raikkonen Lotus-Renault 1m16.301s + 1.142s 21
    13. Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1m16.311s + 1.152s 19
    14. Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m16.479s + 1.320s 20
    15. Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 1m17.027s + 1.868s 20
    16. Bruno Senna Williams-Renault 1m17.055s + 1.896s 26
    17. Heikki Kovalainen Caterham-Renault 1m17.276s + 2.117s 25
    18. Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1m17.390s + 2.231s 19
    19. Vitaly Petrov Caterham-Renault 1m17.404s + 2.245s 22
    20. Timo Glock Marussia-Cosworth 1m18.259s + 3.100s 18
    21. Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1m18.488s + 3.329s 22
    22. Charles Pic Marussia-Cosworth 1m19.099s + 3.940s 17
    23. Narain Karthikeyan HRT-Cosworth 1m19.147s + 3.988s 19
    24. Pedro de la Rosa HRT-Cosworth 1m19.151s + 3.992s 19
  7. Bartek S. Contributing Member

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    Qual.

    Pos Driver Team Time Gap
    1. Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1m14.301s
    2. Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1m14.381s + 0.080
    3. Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1m14.448s + 0.147
    4. Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1m14.583s + 0.282
    5. Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1m14.639s + 0.338
    6. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1m14.948s + 0.647
    7. Felipe Massa Ferrari 1m15.049s + 0.748
    8. Kimi Raikkonen Lotus-Renault 1m15.199s + 0.898
    9. Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1m15.245s + 0.944
    10. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault no time
    Q2 cut-off time: 1m15.322s Gap **
    11. Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 1m15.421s + 0.510
    12. Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1m15.508s + 0.597
    13. Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1m15.536s + 0.625
    14. Bruno Senna Williams-Renault 1m15.709s + 0.798
    15. Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1m15.718s + 0.807
    16. Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m15.878s + 0.967
    17. Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m16.885s + 1.974
    Q1 cut-off time: 1m16.491s Gap *
    18. Heikki Kovalainen Caterham-Renault 1m16.538s + 1.120
    19. Vitaly Petrov Caterham-Renault 1m17.404s + 1.986
    20. Timo Glock Marussia-Cosworth 1m17.947s + 2.529
    21. Pedro de la Rosa HRT-Cosworth 1m18.096s + 2.678
    22. Charles Pic Marussia-Cosworth 1m18.476s + 3.058
    23. Narain Karthikeyan HRT-Cosworth 1m19.310s + 3.892
    24. Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari no time
  8. Bartek S. Contributing Member

    What happened to my favorite driver?

  9. Centurion Contributing Member

    ^^
    Button is struggling. Unlike Lewis and Alonso he is very sensitive to tires and setup. The slightest thing that's not working and he's thrown off.
  10. Bartek S. Contributing Member

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    PROVISIONAL RACE RESULTS The Monaco Grand Prix Monte Carlo, Monaco; 78 laps; 260.520km; Weather: Cloudy. Classified: Pos Driver Team Time
    1. Webber Red Bull-Renault 1h46:06.557
    2. Rosberg Mercedes + 0.643
    3. Alonso Ferrari + 0.947
    4. Vettel Red Bull-Renault + 1.343
    5. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes + 4.101
    6. Massa Ferrari + 6.195
    7. Di Resta Force India-Mercedes + 41.500
    8. Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes + 42.500
    9. Raikkonen Lotus-Renault + 44.000
    10. Senna Williams-Renault + 44.500
    11. Perez Sauber-Ferrari + 1 lap
    12. Vergne Toro Rosso-Ferrari + 1 lap
    13. Kovalainen Caterham-Renault + 1 lap
    14. Glock Marussia-Cosworth + 1 lap
    15. Karthikeyan HRT-Cosworth + 2 laps

    Fastest lap: Perez, 1:17.298

    Not classified/retirements: Driver Team On lap
    Button McLaren-Mercedes 71
    Ricciardo Toro Rosso-Ferrari 66
    Pic Marussia-Cosworth 65
    Schumacher Mercedes 64
    Petrov Caterham-Renault 16
    Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 6
    De la Rosa HRT-Cosworth 1
    Maldonado Williams-Renault 1
    Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1
  11. Bartek S. Contributing Member

    World Championship standings, round 6: Drivers:
    1. Alonso 76
    2. Vettel 73
    3. Webber 73
    4. Hamilton 63
    5. Rosberg 59
    6. Raikkonen 51
    7. Button 45
    8. Grosjean 35
    9. Maldonado 29
    10. Perez 22
    11. Di Resta 21
    12. Kobayashi 19
    13. Senna 15
    14. Massa 10
    15. Hulkenberg 7
    16. Vergne 4
    17. Schumacher 2
    18. Ricciardo 2

    Constructors:
    1. Red Bull-Renault 146
    2. McLaren-Mercedes 108
    3. Ferrari 86
    4. Lotus-Renault 86
    5. Mercedes 61
    6. Williams-Renault 44
    7. Sauber-Ferrari 41
    8. Force India-Mercedes 28
    9. Toro Rosso-Ferrari 6
  12. Centurion Contributing Member

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz this was one hell of a snooze fest. Maldonado has gone from zero to hero and now back to zero. What a fall from grace. I'm bummed that the rain came down about 10minutes after the race has ended. A rather anti-clamatic ending to the procession of top runners just coasting until the end.

    Bring on Canada please


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  13. shonguiz Well-Known Member

    Unf*cking believable that Mercedes benz is still uncapable of producing and managing two cars.
  14. MoSs Well-Known Member

    Monaco isn't the same anymore, it's becoming more boring and the pirelli tires make it worse, idk about u guys but f1 is really confusing me.

    Maybe it's the setup or cars are changing dramatically every race.
  15. Monster Global Moderator

    IMO it is all down to the tires, it is up to the team to find the set up of the cars to make these tyres work on different circuits and at different temperatures ranges. These tyres are so ultra sensitive that the smallest changes to one of the many variables can affect the balance and performance of the car, that will explain why we have 6 different winners in 6 races, however the RB8 is the only car to take two race wins.
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  16. Centurion Contributing Member

    To be honest Monaco has always been a bore unless the heavens open and rain pours down. However the Mozarellis made Monaco even more dull since not a single driver but Perez was attacking. Everyone was just focused on maintaining the tires.
  17. MoSs Well-Known Member

    I think there should do improvements there. Make it wider or longer straights.

    there's no chance to overtake, unless the defender lets them by, but it's imposible there will be a contact or big incident. the cars are not designed for a street circuit like Monaco, 4 years ago they were much smaller, and now they are like giants. I saw the rb7 last year at la auto show and that thing was huge!

    The mclaren and Mercedes are obviously the fastest cars, followed by close redbull and Ferrari, they seem to have more downforce but the problem is the more downforce the more tire ware per lap, and it looks like the mclaren chassis doesn't work for those tires in the race.

    Vettel did 46 laps with the primes! And he was still fastest.
  18. Centurion Contributing Member

    ^^
    Yeah Vettel's stint was nuts likewise was Hamilton's 30+ lap stint in Spain. You just never know where you have the tires at every race. They are so unpredictable. Lotus has had best consistency in terms of the car working with the tires, whoever the pit strategies for Kimi have been disastrous.

    In Canada I will expect drivers like Schumi, Vettel and Kimi not to run in Q3 but in stead save tires. 3-4 stoppers are common there and given that overtaking is easy thanks to double DRS zones, starting position on the grid won't matter much, but having sets of fresh tires will.
  19. Gullwing Well-Known Member

    Force everyone who makes it to Q3 to go out and put out a correct lap time, otherwise they get a 5 place penalty.
    Improve the tires or force two stops. Drive through for those not pushing as hard as they should (FIA monitors during race).
    Allow several different changes to the rules- movable suspension, movable aero, ground affects... but only allow the teams to use two or so, let them pick. Different teams will pick different setups.
  20. Centurion Contributing Member

    Vettel did that in Spain. He didn't want to contest in Q3 but simply went out on a cruiser lap so that he could start higher up on the grid than his peers who also didn't want to set a competitive time. Either way qualifying rules will change next year or tires will have to so that qualifying is actually taken seriously.

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