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Thinking of buying an M3? Make sure you read Georg Kacher's C63 verdict first





So this is Merc’s answer to the new BMW M3...

Got it. Hot C's have long been part of Mercedes' line-up, but none has had us quite as excited as this, the C63 which as the name suggests, gets the big 6.3-litre V8 from the car right at the top of Merc's range, the CL63.

It’s worth pointing out that while Audi and BMW have only just got around to slotting V8s under their cars’ bonnets, Merc has been at it for years starting with the C43 back in 1997. The C63 doesn’t go on sale in the UK until mid-2008, but when it gets here it will only have the M3 to beat as its other obvious rival, the Audi RS4, is about to die and won’t be replaced until 2009.

How will I spot it?

Try the flared wheelarches, new front and rear bumpers, quad exhausts, twin bonnet powerdomes, rear diffuser or wing vents. And if you get close enough, peek through the window at the unusual sports seats that look like they came out of an ’80s 911, the leather-wrapped wheel, rubber-studded aluminium pedals and SLR-style silver instruments that look great but aren’t that easy to read.

Any way you look at it, this isn’t your usual sobre-suited Merc.

So run me through the highlights

That 6.3-litre V8 is the same one you’ll find in the CL63 but detuned slightly to deliver 451bhp and 443lb ft of torque. So it trumps the new M3 to the tune of 37bhp and a gigantic 148lb ft.

It drives through a tweaked version of Merc’s seven-speed auto with three modes: Comfort (typically Merc smooth upshifts, reluctant downshifts), Sport (30 percent quicker shifts, blips on the way down) and Manual, which swaps ratios in half the time needed in Comfort mode.

So it's not slow then?

Not unless your regular car is a top fuel dragster. The new M3 does 62mph in 4.8sec but Merc says the C63 will hit the same benchmark in 4.5sec, so reckon on nearer 4.0sec dead to 60mph.

And even that doesn’t fully illustrate how rapid the C63 feels, particularly above 100mph. Any gearbox snobs out there need to know that the auto ’box works really well, Sport mode being enough for day-to-day stuff and manual the right tool for when you really want to have some fun

But it’s whipped in the bends, right?

Wrong. Unlike some rival cars the C63 comes with no buttons to change steering or suspension settings, although if you think the standard car isn’t going to be hardcore enough or expect to be doing a lot of track work, you can specify tauter suspension, bigger brakes and wide 19-inch tyres when you place your order.

But even the standard 18-inch wheel car is a delight. With ESP set in Sport mode, every deviation from the straight-ahead as you turn the wheel results in a three-way conference call between accelerator, throttle and rear suspension. The steering retains the standard car’s 13.5:1 ratio but the rack is repositioned, the front track is 35mm wider and the brakes are serious: six pots up front, four pots at the back and full of feel.

Switch ESP out altogether and it’s an absolute riot. The RS4 doesn’t really do oversteer, at least not in the dry, and the M3 needs more provocation than before to perform. But the C63 has the torque and balance to let you play all day, if sliding is your thing.

It’s sounding like a full five-star car

Factor in the expected £50k price and, yes, it looks like the C63 has it all sewn up. But there is a niggle and it’s to do with the way the C63 deals with lumps and bumps. Traditional Merc customers won’t like it. Even the M3 rides better.

While it’s easy to get carried away applauding Mercedes for not fitting gimmicky buttons to change the suspension sittings, Porsche proved with PASM on the GT3 and RS just how useful such systems can be. It's the one chink in the Merc's armour.

Verdict

The C63 is a great car – and for all sorts of reasons we weren’t expecting. It’s agile, has great brakes and steering, the auto gearbox works well and it’s even good value for money. On top of that it’s blisteringly quick, but then you knew that already.

This is an AMG you need make no excuses for and it could just be the best sports saloon on sale. We'll be hunting down a group test with its rivals soon to deliver the definitive verdict on that one...

But there is a niggle and it’s to do with the way the C63 deals with lumps and bumps. Traditional Merc customers won’t like it. Even the M3 rides better.


HaHaHa, that is hilarious This must be the first

Anyway, if you want a Coupé well then C63 isnt an option and who wants a CLK63? Not me, its not even in the same league as C63.

CLK63 Black Series it the answer to that.

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damn.. a M3 more comfortable than a C AMG..this is a new world order..
haha
im amazed..

the thing that i noticed most from this article was this:

Switch ESP out altogether and it’s an absolute riot. The RS4 doesn’t really do oversteer, at least not in the dry, and the M3 needs more provocation than before to perform. But the C63 has the torque and balance to let you play all day, if sliding is your thing.


It seems like its a damn blast to drive.. and you know that sliding is my thing

Hey if the new c class hasent change the image off merced that is no longer a old mans car...


this hot c63 is gonnna change that thinking for shure..


its a super hot sedan....

i just think they should have had different suspension setting for the drivers to choose,,,but hey overall it looks hot sounds hot and it seems to be awesome on the track


I am seriously planning to get one next year just not shure if my family will allow me that move .........

Sure, but thats a completly new price level

But there it is if you want it.

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Lol Marcus

So, in 2007, this is the situation:

• The C ///AMG is easier to start a drift in
• The 3 ///M is a bit more comfortable

Who would have thought?!?!?!?!?!



Yeah, with a lot of other cars. Better cars. Newer cars.

If that's the case I'll take the M3 over the C63, comfort first!

I have to disagree I pick the one that suit me the best and I tend to appreicate sport over comfort

Fair enough, to each there own!

Nice read, still haven't changed my mind on the M3.

Can't wait to see that!

Does the M3 have any niggles?

No idea, I havent testdriven the M3 yet

Wow a blistering test that shows what a C63 is really all about,would really like to see another test with the pp installed ...

kinda biased article IMO.

First of all, he mentions the official M3 acceleration time and than says that the C63 will do near to 4.0 in real life, but hey, the same goes for the M3.

Second, he mentions the C63 doesn't come with all kinds of settings "unlike some rivals, I'm assuming M3, but hey at the end he says the C63 doesn't ride as comfortable as the M3, which because of those settings, can be set to a harsher more sporty ride. Sounds like a good thing to me

meh, that article was hardly informative to say the least....

My prediction is still C63>M3 (On a track and a straight).

like I said stay ontopic. Its an old test, check out internal combustion. Now continue discussing C63.

Anyway I`ll have to disagree with Rik here.. This journalist is one of the most critical I`ve ever come across. I have known him for some time and have tried to disreguard some of his reviews.

This one isn`t very informative
but it does show how capable the C63 really is.

NOT. Not in a coupe luxury/GT style car in that price range there surely aren't a "lot" of other better cars. If you want a sports car (different type of vehicle) then yes, the 911 GT3 or R8 make a better case, but as far as the M6 and other similar cars go, not even.

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It's weird how the intial reviews of the C63 are better than the M3. I'm still waiting for full reviews and not intial tests. Still, this car is super f__king hot!!

Not surprising thsi thing will slide easier because hey, a 6litre engine as opposed to a 4litre engine, it surely has way more torque. Why does it so much power anyway?? i mean, it's a Cclass, and you're putting an engine with capacity that goes into the E63 and S63. How much does this thing weigh?
I am placing my bets that on tracks, not like tracks that only have straights, the M3 will beat it.. and 'more comfortable' doesn't necessarily mean 'less capable'.. BMW may screw up anything, apart from the 3series and M3. Surely enough though, MB is obviously trying their best to get more driving pleasure out of their cars, especially AMG, but i guess 'less comfortable' can simply mean a stiffer suspension which doesn't mean it is more capable.

^the engine weights 199kg.. wich i belive is less than the M3 engine..