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Is the RS3 in a league, seperate from that of the M3 and C55.

If so, when the new M3 comes out, will it be in the RS4's league then?

What about the C55?

In terms of outright performance, i say it is. The RS4 breaches 8:09 on the Nurburgring, the C55 and M3 achieve 8:22, as you can see that's quite a difference. The in-time acceleration is blistering, much more potent that the other two and lastly, if you look at the overall braking and handling figures you'll see the RS4 is just superb. That's my opinion though

When the new M3 comes out, i say it'll performance on par with the RS4.

Very good points. So, you think that overall the RS4 is a car that is not meant to compete with the M3 and C55, but maybe an upper class derivative of those two?

Audi may have meant for the RS4 to be compared to the C55 and M3, and maybe it should, but in all honestly the RS4 is in a different league of performance. That's not to say the M3 or C55 are any less great though, i love them too.

My personal choice of vehicle would be the RS4, i love it!

What are your thoughts Michael?

before the new RS4 came, M3,C55 compared to S4. But when next generations M3 and C55 come they will compete with RS4.
BMW 335i has not taken the fight against S4.

My personal choice would be the RS4, as well, but I haven't been able to decide if the RS4 is reallyin a league of it's own when compared to the M3 and C55. I mean, what is the point of the RS4 then? To be a slight degree better than the C55 and M3? It is not that much faster than either one of those, and I am sure that the future M3 and C55 will be just as fast. So, that begs the question, what will happen to the S4?

BMW 335i IMO, MB dont have anything yet?

You bring up a very good point Just Me. The new 335i can very well compete with the S4, so that does that tell you? I am sure that the M3 and C55 will compete with the RS4. So, maybe Audi set a new benchmark of cars.

It seems that in each line up, at least the way it is looking, each manufactuere is going to make a base, then a sport base, then their super car.

For example.

Base328,335i
Sport Base335i Coupe
Supercar (of that line up)M3

and M3 CSL as übersupercar

I think you're really over complicating it - the RS4 was simply made a few years after the other two and thus outperform them - as everyone knows the next M3, and perhaps the next C AMG, will move things up a notch again, and so on. For a couple of years the E46 M3 could've been considered to be in a league of it's own - obviously not the case now.

I agree 100%.

Probably the new M3 will beat the RS4 in track times.

it depends if the M3 will be tested with ceramic brakes and R-tires, if not then it will be difficult. Straightline though the M3 and C63 will be faster.

I doubt that. I think it will come close, let's say 8.11 or something.

I believe than M3 even with the rumored 414 hp ouput will be faster than RS4 in N-ring. Not much faster but faster.

What does that matter? I really think that the M3 CSL is not like the RS4, because of the fac that car was not produced that much.



How am I complicating things? It used to be that the S4 would compete against the M3, C55, and vice versa. The RS4 came out, and it was not like an M3 CSL, because it is being produced more widely. Also, the RS4 maintains a lot of the amenities that all cars have, something that the M3CSL could not have. And no I do not think that the M3 could have been in a league of its own.

Explain to me why Audi offers to sports cars in the same line up(A4lineup that is).

Look at MB and BMW. They have the C55 and the M3 and that is it. Yes you have the CSL, but that is a new phenomenon and truly, the car is not comparable to the RS4, because it lacks many amenities that the RS4 has.

I think the M3 CSL was an experiment for BMW.

like I said, with R-tires then its possible, if not, BMW can forget about it on nordschleife. But on a small track like sportautos hockenheim, the M3 will be faster.

Why are you being so pesimistic?

That will depend on whether the track is wet or not.

Because on Nordschleife you can improve a laptime with just adding R-tires by up to 10 seconds. The RS4 had R-tires and if the M3 dont get it, it will be difficult, very difficult. On a small track, M3 has a better chance.

Becuase I know how R-tires play a big part on a track

Do you have R tires on your bicycle or something?

lol, no. I dont even have a bicycle

lol


I thought you would since you speak so highly of R tires. Maybe you were riding around with your girlfriend on the wet pavement and you say how much traction you got on those two wheels with so much weights on it.

As much as I love the RS4; No, it is not in a leage of its own. Why? Because, its main competitor is 6 years old. So, when it's main competitor comes out and doesn't even come close, then I will say that it is in a league of its own. You have to remember you're comparing this car to a car that was made before this thing was even designed.

This car gets 8:09 on the Nurburgring, so by MY standards if the next M3 is 8:13 or more...then the RS4 is outright in a league of its own. Why do I say a 4 second difference? Because, obviously they weren't tested on the same day with same type of track temp, air temp, tyre temp, barometric pressure and so on and so on....so a 4 second difference isn't that big of a difference because just a little driver error can give away 2-4 seconds anyday.