Official Audi A4 (B8) Thread (Spy pics & info)

[shonguiz]

Isn't the car supposed to be more than a 4 door A5 ?

[mora]

I don't know if these news are real. But, an italian user, who has a business relation with Audi, said very interesting things about the future engines for Audi's range:

-1.6TFSI 130bhp (on the new A4 for spring 2008)

-1.8TFSI 180bhp (maybe this engine could replace the 2.0TFSI 170bhp unit)

-2.4 V6 FSI 185 bhp. Low CO2 emissions, made up from the 2.8FSI (2009), with 2 valvelift on both sides of aspiration/exhaust system.

-2.0TFSI 300cv. (S version of TT- 2008?)

-2.5 TFSI 350cv 5 cylinders, derived from a volumetric+turbo evolution of the U.S. engine for Rabbit and Jetta. The turbo has the variable geometry system like last 911 Turbo. But is possible that this engine will be only for the RS version of TT. (second half 2008)

-3.2 V6 TFSI 310-->330 bhp. With twin-turbo system and the same technologies of 2.4 FSI

-4.2 V8 TFSI 450cv. with 2 soft turbos to increase the torque and maintein the high rotation of 8250 RPM. (2008-2009.The 4.2FSI remain the only V8 with direct injection system)

-1.6 TDI Common-rail (C-R) with Blue-tec system capable of 115bhp (2009 on A3 and A4?)

-2.0 TDI C-R 170 bhp blue-tec (2008)

-2.0 TDI C-R 204 bhp blue-tec (2007)

-The blue-tec version of 3.0tdi capable of 260 bhp (end of 2008 on A6 restyling: will it arrive also for new A4?)

- Starting from the 3.0TDI a new 3.0TDI with 2 turbos (one small and one big like 335d) for both sides on the V6 (a tot of 4 turbos). 350bhp for A6 and A8

So, do you have some informations about these engines? Do you confirm someone?

I have 2 question for you (So, Yannis be careful!!! :-) ):
- Are magnetic-rides coming on the new A4?
- Do you think that the Blue-tec 3.0V6 TDI will arrive on the new A4 starting from the end of 2008 (like on the A6)???

Sorry for the mistakes....

[Yannis]

I have heard that the 1.8 TFSI engine will have a 130 hp version (so it's not a 1.6 TFSI as far as i know).

As for the rest they seem more or less correct.

A5 and A4 will get both Magetic Ride and S-Tronic (DSG) gearboxes but not certain when. The RS6 is also said to get a S-Tronic gearbox later on but initially it will be offered as an auto.

[SCOTT27]

I heard that like the A5 Coupe the Audi A4 will drive like the current car as to not alienate the typical Audi customer . This is from an ex-Audi engineer who is now with BMW who left because of his creativity being restrained on some projects that threaten others.

[klier]

Originally Posted by mora

- Starting from the 3.0TDI a new 3.0TDI with 2 turbos (one small and one big like 335d) for both sides on the V6 (a tot of 4 turbos). 350bhp for A6 and A8

Common misconception. The ones in the BMW I6 3.0 TT are both the same size.

[Yannis]

Originally Posted by klier

Common misconception. The ones in the BMW I6 3.0 TT are both the same size.

Both the same size in the petrol engine and one small and one big in the diesel engine.

[mora]

Do you think that the Blue-tec 3.0V6 TDI will arrive on the new A4 starting from the end of 2008 (like on the A6)???

Yannis and the others, can you respond to this question?

[EnI]

Originally Posted by SCOTT27

I heard that like the A5 Coupe the Audi A4 will drive like the current car as to not alienate the typical Audi customer . This is from an ex-Audi engineer who is now with BMW who left because of his creativity being restrained on some projects that threaten others.

I was thinking about this few weeks ago.

In several articles about A5 AUDI engineers expressed frustration because they had wanted (& they were able) to develop a more dynamic chassis with almost BMW-like driving dynamics & feeling, yet Audi marketing had demanded "typical Audi" (glued to the road, with understeer on the limits).

So, I thought, that's very bad for Audi because BMW would not stand still, but would try to steal those excellent chassis engineers from Audi. And - what a surprise (NOT) - here we hear exactly what I predicted: engineers migrating from Audi to BMW. Bad for Audi, excellent for BMW.

[Deutsch]

I don't think Audi is that far behind BMW, though BMW does indeed make the superior car to drive(kinda no brainer), but for many handling isn't everything. Prospects for premium cars are deviating from the default luxury brands and looking to see what else is on the market, and Audi is the new "it" brand, a brand that leaves much to be discovered but fulfills desire.
I'm sure on some level every car could use improvements handling wise, the A5 is no exception, but lets keep in mind the car just got here and there's plenty of time for improvements to be made.

[Yannis]

Originally Posted by Beemer B773ER

As with most Audi's... the concept just looks stunning, but come production time, the car loses that Audi flare and becomes rather clinical.

It seems that most car journalists and common people prefer the "clinical" look of Audi compared to the radical/controversial look of other German car makers. It's very hard to see negative comments about Audi's models , on the contrary most journalists and common people like them.

[Deutsch]

I'd go as far to say that Audi is still very much the understated of the German lot. Their designs are the least ostentatious; Every line makes sense in placement, panel gaps are kept to a minimum, and the overall picture is that of elegance, something that can't be said for most if not all of the competition.

[Audi69]

Originally Posted by mora

I don't know if these news are real. But, an italian user, who has a business relation with Audi, said very interesting things about the future engines for Audi's range:

-1.6TFSI 130bhp (on the new A4 for spring 2008)

-1.8TFSI 180bhp (maybe this engine could replace the 2.0TFSI 170bhp unit)

-2.4 V6 FSI 185 bhp. Low CO2 emissions, made up from the 2.8FSI (2009), with 2 valvelift on both sides of aspiration/exhaust system.

-2.0TFSI 300cv. (S version of TT- 2008?)

-2.5 TFSI 350cv 5 cylinders, derived from a volumetric+turbo evolution of the U.S. engine for Rabbit and Jetta. The turbo has the variable geometry system like last 911 Turbo. But is possible that this engine will be only for the RS version of TT. (second half 2008)

-3.2 V6 TFSI 310-->330 bhp. With twin-turbo system and the same technologies of 2.4 FSI

-4.2 V8 TFSI 450cv. with 2 soft turbos to increase the torque and maintein the high rotation of 8250 RPM. (2008-2009.The 4.2FSI remain the only V8 with direct injection system)

-1.6 TDI Common-rail (C-R) with Blue-tec system capable of 115bhp (2009 on A3 and A4?)

-2.0 TDI C-R 170 bhp blue-tec (2008)

-2.0 TDI C-R 204 bhp blue-tec (2007)

-The blue-tec version of 3.0tdi capable of 260 bhp (end of 2008 on A6 restyling: will it arrive also for new A4?)

- Starting from the 3.0TDI a new 3.0TDI with 2 turbos (one small and one big like 335d) for both sides on the V6 (a tot of 4 turbos). 350bhp for A6 and A8

So, do you have some informations about these engines? Do you confirm someone?

I have 2 question for you (So, Yannis be careful!!! :-) ):
- Are magnetic-rides coming on the new A4?
- Do you think that the Blue-tec 3.0V6 TDI will arrive on the new A4 starting from the end of 2008 (like on the A6)???

Sorry for the mistakes....

3.0TDI with 4 turbos as you described. Can't wait for that engine. Hopefully the engine will be higher reving than normal as this is my only downside to a diesel engine. LOve their torque heavy richness though. This engine will be great

[Tumbo]

[PanterroR]

Originally Posted by Audi69

3.0TDI with 4 turbos as you described. Can't wait for that engine. Hopefully the engine will be higher reving than normal as this is my only downside to a diesel engine. LOve their torque heavy richness though. This engine will be great

Quad turbo on a 3.0TDI engine? Hardly...

[Audi69]

Originally Posted by TycoonGTR

Quad turbo on a 3.0TDI engine? Hardly...

Explain?

Are you saying a 3.0TDI with four turbos would not be a great engine?

[PanterroR]

Originally Posted by Audi69

Explain?

Are you saying a 3.0TDI with four turbos would not be a great engine?

Where did i say it won't be great engine?

Let me just 1st see the concept of that engine, then production of it and then i'll comment. Where's the article about that engine? Never heard even rumors, let alone confirmation that it's going to be made!

Was i clear enough now?

[vabboud]

lumpiong 4 turbos is not as easy as you might think, besides teh space requirements on a small V6, the engineering required to make 4 work in unison, and not withstanding the plumbing trequired to recirculate and evacuate exhaust gases through 4 turbos and still have the car less noseheavy
unless audi is planning to make them out of some magnesium ro titanium alloy, and be ready to have this engine cost more than a W12, then i don't see how it can happen this gen
maybe the R&D has been done and it is possible, i do not know, but as an engineer, it is easier to do it with twin sequential turbos. even if each siw ired to two banks, and not just a straight line
anyway time will tell

[PanterroR]

I'm not an engineer, but still it sounded very complicating and very expensive, hence my reply above. And you just confirmed it.

Thanks, vab!

[Yannis]

Quad turbo is useless in a V6 engine IMO. One turbo per 3 cylinders (total 2 turbos) is enough.

[dr Dunkel]

Originally Posted by Audiholic

If this is something close to what we could expect then Audi has taken a great leap in gaining on Mercedes and BMW when it comes to design.

[PanterroR]

Originally Posted by dr Dunkel

If this is something close to what we could expect then Audi has taken a great leap in gaining on Mercedes and BMW when it comes to design.

It was about time you know... Sooner or later people get bored with the same design, regardless of how good it looks...

[RICHBOY]

I'm not impressed. The rear proportions look much to cramped, not to mention the lack of truck space.

[vabboud]

well andreas, i am half an engineer, in 2 years i would be a full one
mind that what i said is not perfectly true
it all is about the R&D costs, if audi has done their homework right and found ways to implement this within accpetable limits, it is quite possible, i am stressing on the unlikeliness given the closest we have come to a similar solution is either quad turbo on a production V12 or W16 or a tri turbo mercedes concept, which is closer to reality

as for teh design issue
we are not yet seeing any advances in audi design language, it's still basically the same main form, with alterations, the major design leap this time seems to be the shoulder line which has changed from straight line to soft curve
i don't think audi can withstand more than this geenration without a radical rethinking of the design langauge
the grill can stay as a brand identity, but the headlights and the fascia have to be expanded upon iof not radically changed, to give more individuality threoughout the range

[PanterroR]

Originally Posted by vabboud

as for teh design issue
we are not yet seeing any advances in audi design language, it's still basically the same main form, with alterations, the major design leap this time seems to be the shoulder line which has changed from straight line to soft curve
i don't think audi can withstand more than this geenration without a radical rethinking of the design langauge
the grill can stay as a brand identity, but the headlights and the fascia have to be expanded upon iof not radically changed, to give more individuality threoughout the range

Well said, vab.

[Audi69]

Originally Posted by TycoonGTR

Where did i say it won't be great engine?

Let me just 1st see the concept of that engine, then production of it and then i'll comment. Where's the article about that engine? Never heard even rumors, let alone confirmation that it's going to be made!

Was i clear enough now?

Time will tell. I hear humble pie taste good