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7 Vs S here
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I have no idea what Autocar guys have driven ....

Because ... AutoZeitung eg. praised driving comfort & soundproofness of the new 7er. Incl. to the wind noise.


"Wind noise is reduced to minimum."

I'm pretty sure that's got to be a pre-series press car or something. These cars are supposed to very very quiet. I cannot hear anything outside when I'm in a diesel X5 driving through a factory (which is obviously a loud environment) so I'm sure a newer 7er would be even quieter.

It's very very rare to hear a journalist complain about road noise in any german car

What do they say?

It is obvious that Autocar drove a 7-Series BMW with a glitch. Now I know we'll pretend that can't possibly happen.

M

is it me or does the S feel puny next to the 7 ?

It must be said -- the Beemer is much more eye catching (however, that might be beacuse it is new) -- can't wait to see what Merc does with the next S.

It is possible but is definitely not acceptable. These press cars are usually combed over to make sure that these things don't happen. However, I'd like to know what they are talking about:
- is it the engine noise? If so that is odd since that diesel engine has always done well
- windnoise? very possible. You'd be shocked at how easy it is to get windnoise.. could be an area that is not sealed, the size of half a penny and you'll get something very annoying.
- tire noise?

it's interesting for me because i used to be an acoustic engineer/intern for BMW and they were sticklers when it came to these kinds of things... and that was for the "lowly" E90

Definitely S for me here

The 7 is three years newer

OT: What the hell are you guys doing still up this late on a Sunday night -> Directed towards the Europeans and guys in that area

Motortrend review

2009 BMW 7 Series - First Drive - Motor Trend

Real nice, a SWB S-Class photographed next to a LWB 7-Series.

M

You know Marcus i was gonna point out that but i hesitated thinking that they are not that stupid but apparently they are

nope SWB 7, the boot says 730d no mention of an L anywhere

Both cars are SWB!

Check all the pics ... Eg. this one doesn't lie:



So, SWB 730d vs SWB S320 CDI:



I've told you F01 was very formidable & oozing huge presence ...

Me tooo. The S-class does not look aged and actually looks lithe and athletic next to that barge.

Anyone care to translate?

Unfortunately driving it doesn't feel so athletic.

The review says 7er is much more agile, and it feels like driving a much smaller car. Although offering same comfort level as S-class.

Doesn't look it, but ok. Yeah the BMW is formidable and oozes presence, too bad it isn't anywhere near good looking, IMO. Have to see it in person, but the front section looks disconnected from the rear.


M

So BMW went down that road again which is making the 7er longer to look bigger and have more presence,what's formidable about that?

Length:

S-class W221 SWB: 5,079mm
7-series F01 SWB: 5,072mm


So, 7-series is actually shorter than S-class.

Yet it looks much muscular & having quite greater presence. That's formidable.
How come? Same height, yet 3cm wider & featuring almost 4cm longer wheelbase - due shorter overhangs.

Almost perfect proportions make it formidable. A work of art.

You have to see the car IRL.


Btw, in that pic S-class looks much smaller due the angle and the fact both cars are not aligned.

Short and fat.

LOL @ work of art.

Not funny at all. The new upcoming BMW sedans & coupes / roadsters are featuring a special attention to proportions. It was a real hard work to make them happen - a great amount of engineering work. The new proportions are really state of art.

Regarding barge look: it's all due that funny photo. The S really looks (too) puny in that photo.

Perhaps this one is better:

Oh god now we're going to hear about how BMW is paying special attention to proportions, yet the car looks ill-proportioned at best. It looks W140-like if anything.

Formadiable in this case looks bloated IMO, I'd rather have pretty or good looking.


What in the world is hard about engineering a car to look big and imposing in a time where more cars are trying to hide their mass with clever styling?

EnI you've got it backwards. Nothing hard about engineering or styling a big car to look big or imposing.


M

Yes this one is better