E92 M3 discussion thread II

[Deutsch]

@ 38 pgs, it seems more appropriate now than ever to start a new thread. What an exciting car, tops for next year, no doubt!!!

http://www.germancarforum.com/3-series/4038-new-bmw-m3-chop.html

[Osnabrueck]

Ahh Shewt - I don't even want an E92 now! I'd just go insane whenever I saw an M3. The wide-back seen on those test mules looks amazing.

[NarutoRamen]

All I want to say is...The m3 is going to be Teh Hotnes!!!!111

[Just_me]

here is the silver M3 again

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13185

[Sunny]

Doesn't look the silver one has a carbon roof.

[Ultimate Car Guy]

Woah!! thats one awesome-looking beast.

It looks like its very close to production now. Bit by bit we're starting to see the full picture of this machine.

I know that some people may be dissapointed that there's no carbon roof. But don't be, because they might include it in the final product and i'm sure they've scattered CF in other components of the car that maybe we can't see.

When is the M3 saloon comming? if at all?

[Deutsch]

Originally Posted by Ultimate Car Guy

When is the M3 saloon comming? if at all?

It's coming, year after the coupe. The E92 M3 will launch in Spring '07, just in time for the Geneva show.

[SCOTT27]

It's coming, year after the coupe. The E92 M3 will launch in Spring '07, just in time for the Geneva show.

No. BMW M have gone on record that the production car will debut at the IAA in Frankfurt next September. After international launch in July ,
The car will be in Geneva but only as a teaser "BMW Concept Car M3" similar to the "BMW Concept Car M5" in Geneva in 2004. As is the
"BMW Concept car M3" on the E46 back at the IAA in 1999. Before World debut of production car in Geneva in March 2000.

With the M3 entering the FEP programme
engineers are also using their allocated time frame to thoroughly iron out any production problems which as plagued early production of M cars.

BMW M will also get to back-back the M3 with the new Audi R8 which will be another competitor for the M3 In terms of output which the new car has been benchmarked with diverse sports cars not only the Audi RS4 , but the Aston Martin V8 Vantage , Mercedes CLK63,Porsche 911 amongst others.
The timeframe will allow BMW to make some additional updates or adjustments.

European sales will begin towards the end of 2007 , USA sales expected Summer/Fall 2008. The USA M3 has the same timeline to the M6 as market adaption requirements will fall in with this time scale.

Exclusive Price lists and optional and standard equipment specifications which have been doing the rounds on Motoring sites and enthusiast forums are completely false because BMW marketing have just started on the European specifications. BMW dealers do not get official notification until nearer offical launch.

[klier]

The E46 M3 concept is very fresh in my memory! I remember standing next to that car at the IAA in 99, and I was in total shock. So stunning back in the days.

I am going to Geneva, just for this new concept M3 coupe

[Just_me]

Originally Posted by klier

I am going to Geneva, just for this new concept M3 coupe

I was there last time and the Z4M Coupe were presented. It feels like I was there yesterday. Time is flying

[EnI]

Originally Posted by SCOTT27

No. BMW M have gone on record that the production car will debut at the IAA in Frankfurt next September. After international launch in July ,
The car will be in Geneva but only as a teaser "BMW Concept Car M3" similar to the "BMW Concept Car M5" in Geneva in 2004. As is the
"BMW Concept car M3" on the E46 back at the IAA in 1999. Before World debut of production car in Geneva in March 2000.

With the M3 entering the FEP programme
engineers are also using their allocated time frame to thoroughly iron out any production problems which as plagued early production of M cars.

BMW M will also get to back-back the M3 with the new Audi R8 which will be another competitor for the M3 In terms of output which the new car has been benchmarked with diverse sports cars not only the Audi RS4 , but the Aston Martin V8 Vantage , Mercedes CLK63,Porsche 911 amongst others.
The timeframe will allow BMW to make some additional updates or adjustments.

European sales will begin towards the end of 2007 , USA sales expected Summer/Fall 2008. The USA M3 has the same timeline to the M6 as market adaption requirements will fall in with this time scale.

Exclusive Price lists and optional and standard equipment specifications which have been doing the rounds on Motoring sites and enthusiast forums are completely false because BMW marketing have just started on the European specifications. BMW dealers do not get official notification until nearer offical launch.

[CAR-NNOSSEUR]

yaah right, BMW needs to worry about competing with the RS4 before talking about 911's & R8's! Good try BMW i'll believe it when I see it! R8!!

[warot]

Originally Posted by CAR-NNOSSEUR

yaah right, BMW needs to worry about competing with the RS4 before talking about 911's & R8's! Good try BMW i'll believe it when I see it! R8!!

To be honest, the RS4 was probably first on their list. I doubt they would come out with a car that can't beat the Audi. Now they are aiming higher

[CAR-NNOSSEUR]

Come on now, let's be honest, BMW is merely trying to create publicity for there next M3! It has no business in the same sentence with such vehicles!

[PC Valkyrie]

Originally Posted by SCOTT27

European sales will begin towards the end of 2007 , USA sales expected Summer/Fall 2008. The USA M3 has the same timeline to the M6 as market adaption requirements will fall in with this time scale.

So in other words, it sounds like the next M3 will be introduced as a 2009 model in 2008.

This will likely mean the M3 will be introduced at the same time as the next C-AMG car. We know that the W204 C-class will make its debut as a 2008 model. It is likely the AMG version will come out a year later.

[PC Valkyrie]

Originally Posted by CAR-NNOSSEUR

yaah right, BMW needs to worry about competing with the RS4 before talking about 911's & R8's! Good try BMW i'll believe it when I see it! R8!!

Originally Posted by CAR-NNOSSEUR

Come on now, let's be honest, BMW is merely trying to create publicity for there next M3! It has no business in the same sentence with such vehicles!

I think you may be underestimating BMW and their plans for the next M3. When the E46 M3 came out, it pretty much blew away all of the competition. In fact, it performed almost as well as the Porsche 911 Carrera of the time (996). It remained the benchmark in its category for quite a number of years too, until the RS4 came out last year. That's pretty impressive for a car introduced in 1999/2000.

I have very high expectations for the next M3. V8 power will help bring HP up to where it needs to be, and we already know the new E92 chassis is quite impressive already (335i). I wouldn't be surprised at all if the next M3 will rival the current 911 (997) in terms of performance and even the new Audi R8.....

I am really looking forward to this car.....

[CAR-NNOSSEUR]

Please post the track times in which a M3 was close to rivaling a 911! And while your at it, PAST THE JESUS JUICE!

[Just_me]

Originally Posted by CAR-NNOSSEUR

Please post the track times in which a M3 was close to rivaling a 911! And while your at it, PAST THE JESUS JUICE!

M3, Nordschleife: 8.22 min
996 Carrera 4: 8.23 min
996 Carrera 2: 8.17 min

M3, hockenheim, 1.16,3 min
996 Carrera 4: 1.16,6 min
996 Carrera 2: 1.15,9 min

Source: Sportauto

[PC Valkyrie]

Thanks Just_me. I knew I could depend on you to take this guy down!!!

Remember, I never said the M3 BEATS the 911 overall, but it is close, and a much cheaper car too.

[PC Valkyrie]

Oh and one other thing, CAR-NNOSSEUR, those times also show that AWD 911 may not necessarily improve track laptimes when you have a pro driving the RWD 911 car. Any other bubble of yours you want get popped??

[Matt]

I thought i would subscribe to this... anyway the 997 is quite a bit better than the 996. I was even hoping that the M3 would compete with the carrera S, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

[Just_me]

Originally Posted by PC Valkyrie

Remember, I never said the M3 BEATS the 911 overall, but it is close, and a much cheaper car too.

and more practical and also with better comfort if you ask me

[CAR-NNOSSEUR]

First off (PC VALKYRIE) get off your knees before you get rug burn! secondly I much appreciate it (just_me) if you would give me the web address to make sure your info is reliable, & not you posting the best BMW track times & the worst porsche times!

[Just_me]

Originally Posted by CAR-NNOSSEUR

First off (PC VALKYRIE) get off your knees before you get rug burn! secondly I much appreciate it (just_me) if you would give me the web address to make sure your info is reliable, & not you posting the best BMW track times & the worst porsche times!

Im the sportauto king

Sportauto issue
M3; 12/2000; and 3/2003
996 C2/C4: 10/2001 and 2/2001

or
http://germancarforum.com/showthread.php?t=67
http://germancarforum.com/showthread.php?t=3358

Also member 7.3 is a sportauto king so he can probably verify these results.

PS sportauto doesnt have a webbpage.

PS 2: Im not making it up, I posted the best times I have seen/read for these 3 cars. If Im wrong, someone please feel free and correct me.

[CAR-NNOSSEUR]

O, I'm sorry I didn't know we were going back half a decade for stats. Get at me when you find info a little closer to now, maybe, O I don't no around 2003 considering were looking at 2007 in about 2 months!