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I found it on m3post.com. His name is Steve and he own a M3 CSL, Z4M Coupe and a ML63. He sometimes help british carmags to test cars. His M3 CSL was in one of the issues in EVO. He had the opportunity to drive the new M3 together with EVO.
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Ok, those of you that know me will understand that I cannot provide a proper review here on the interweb, I am writing up my thoughts today and collating all the film footage we took during the last two days in Marbella.

The press introduction seemed to be an all UK affair, so all of the key UK magazines were represented, and I assume other countries including US scribes will have their opportunity to drive/film the new M3 over the next few weeks.

Let me set the expectation for what I can discuss; anything that would not normally be published by the magazine I can talk about, so that's the factual kind of nerdy things we talk about on forums - what does this look like?, how does that work? etc. I cannot post the videos since these will be edited and posted on EVO's website during the next week or so. I am happy to try and answer questions, although the inevitable ones about how the M3 compares with other cars, including the RS4 I drove down their in will have to wait for the magazine to be published.

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As well as occasionally joining magazines on these kinds of tests I also own the cars I review, so I've owned 3 E46 M3's, still own an M3 CSL and also a Z4M Coupe.

From my perspective and understanding what most of us discuss on forums such as this, I would summarise and say that most of you that are hoping the E92 M3 is good will not be dissapointed. It is good.

A friend of mine sent me a text yesterday as I was driving the E92 M3 and asked if I had to choose between my M3 CSL and this E92 M3, which car would I choose (assuming I could choose only one). My answer after much reflection was I would choose the E92 M3. Reasons? It's a very competent and fun car to drive, not a CSL in any way, but just as quick and just as loud. So anyone sitting on the fence trying to decide should they change from an E46 M3, I would say undoubtedly yes.

Perhaps I can try and help those of you speccing orders, with what works and what doesn't about the E92 M3. I will post up some views on this shortly.
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The gear change is better than the E46 M3, about on a par with the Z4M. Ordinarily that would mean it is pretty good, certainly no reason to specifically choose DCT unless you want a semi-automated manual.

Colour wise, all the press cars supplied by BMW were in Melbourne Red. Now this is a really bad colour to photograph. All the magazines were complaining about how hard it was to capture, and we spent so much time trying to find the right light, otherwise it looked a kind of browny-red and rather flat. The RS4 we used for the comparison was in a standard non-metallic brilliant red and it looked superb, whereas Melbourne Red was much darker and less vibrant. Some people will like it, it is a bit like the metallic red used on Ferrari's 599GTB, but I didn't think it was as good a colour as Imola Red was on the E46 M3.

Our view from filming the car from every angle is that the shape probably suits a darker colour better than a lighter one. You usually choose a lighter colour to show the lines better, but there just aren't clear lines to show on the E92 M3. Unlike the E46 M3, it doesn't look 'pumped up' and I suspect a lighter colour would be lost on it, but I haven't seen it in Space Grey or Silverstone so maybe they will look better.

The press car we shot was Melbourne Red with the 18" smoked wheels. I can tell anyone that was debating whether to go for 18" or 19" wheels that the 18" wheels are 'much' better than were on the E46 M3. It does not look under-tyred with the 18"ers, in fact they look quite wide and aggressive (particularly being in a smoked finish). The side-walls look quite tall and Michelin said they developed these tyres specially for the M3, with a taller sidewall but as stiff as a shorter lower-profile tyre. I normally would always go for 19" wheels, but I am having second thoughts because the 18"s look perfectly adequate.

Fuel economy is the subject of an amusing anecdote. The BMW marketing people spent virtually the whole press conference talking about Efficient Dynamics and their CO2 performance. Nobody could quite work out why they were talking CO2 when there was an M3 sitting in front of them, and out on the road, admittedly driving flat-out up and down very twisty mountaneous roads we managed 11mpg. I wouldn't worry too much about that, firstly BMW's M engines are always more thirsty in the first few thousand miles (although our press car had covered 2000 km already), and secondly nobody is likely to drive their M3 regularly as hard as we were driving it, so I would expect that number to climb to early 20's mpg under normall use. We certainly didn't need to fill up the fuel tank after a day's testing, so it wasn't bad IMO.

Comparing the new V8 to the I6 is straying into our text to be published in the magazine, but I am certainly not exaggerating when I say you will be bowled over by this engine, and it is probably one of the most exotic sounding engines ever fitted to a non-supercar. It is way, way better than the old S54 straight six could ever have been. Torque is not a problem and in most respects it behaves just like a 4 liter version of the previous 3.2.
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Handling is as you would expect. BMW haven't gone soft, but they have given the M3 a much wider repetoire than previously. It will satisfy those who like to cruise AND those who like to race.

Looks wise, I would say it 'does not' look better in person. Aesthetics are not the E92 M3s strongest point, although I suspect it will grow on you. It's real top qualities are handling, engine performance and sound.
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The press car had Bamboo Beige with the extended leather option. I was really impressed with Bamboo Beige. If you would like a lighter interior but don't want something too light that is easily marked, then Bamboo Beige is definitely for you.

Beige is the wrong description, it is actually Coffee coloured and looks quite expensive. It's a bit like the dark tan interior I've seen in the Ferrari 599 GTB.

I'm not a great fan of extended leather, it just doesn't seem worth it my opinion. It was nice, but was not that noticeable. I guess for £750 it's not that expensive, but just don't expect too much.

The test car also had the Black Carbon-Structure Leather trim which looked good (as it does in my Z4MC) and the M-seats felt identical to those I remembered in my E46 M3, right down to the same controls to inflate the sidebolsters and adjust lumbar support.
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25th of July I think. We will also be posting videos on the EVO website so you can access that easily.
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No we just pitted E92 M3 against the RS4. Autocar did the same, whilst CAR and Top Gear are out there for a few more days doing an extended comparison test (I assume with more competitors).

I really cannot comment about how they compared, you will have to read the article once it is published in EVO.

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I can't wait to read the first comparison test between the RS4, M3 and C63, will be interesting to see who's best!

Faith restored... she seems liek an absolute beauty

Looks wise, I would say it 'does not' look better in person. Aesthetics are not the E92 M3s strongest point, although I suspect it will grow on you. It's real top qualities are handling, engine performance and sound.

i dont like this quote.. i hope he is wrong

Personally I would strongly disagree with him, the white e92 M3 I saw looks amazing, if only I could have taken pictures of it to show you guys, you will not be disapointed, trust me!

He also said the carmags had problem taking good photos cause of the red color. A color can affect the look of a car. Only IRL look can tell us if we like it or not. I can wait.

^white works the best for the M3 imo...or should i say the only one that works real well..
i dont like the other colours seen yet

It was a bad decision to use a red M3 for press shots. Red cars very difficult to photograph. You have to make tons of adjustments to make the car look good.

Nice review. He is also a member here.

OK, I'll trust BMW_Dude since he's propably the only one here who has actually seen the production ready M3 (excluding Scott ).

Another reply from the guy

Q: Do you have any experience in the 335?

A: I've driven several 335i and in standard form it would be clearly beaten by an M3 in terms of acceleration, but the M3 driver would need to use more revs which clearly is how it is designed to perform. It would also be thoroughly beaten in terms of handling, steering feel and braking. Essentially the gap between 335i and E92 M3 is similar to the gap between 330i and M3 when the E46 was launched back in 2001. Many people though will find the 335i adequate for their needs, but those who want an M-car will find it worth their while moving up to an M3.

A properly tuned 335i would clearly be as quick as an M3 on the road, unless the M3 driver really extended the revs, but there's a lot more to the M3 than just straight line performance (as there always has been with M3s).

^so this means a very active driving.. no lazy arse ppl in the M3 no
alot of gershifting will be needed..
i like it

So the 4.8sec 0-60 time in generously underestimated then I beleive... I'm thinking 4.6 personally 4.2 would be cool with me but

4.6? Impossible with the manual but likely with the DZG(?) tranny.

I can't wait. He said July 25th, so thats only 20 days away. Not bad. Can't wait to see how the M3 is.

to hell with the 25th.. Autocar is publishing a test drive today..on the 6th..

New info from the guy and his opinin on the CAR article:


Ok, time out guys. I need to put some of these comments in context. The new M3 is a great car. It hasn't gone soft. What a strange comment to make for a car that is 'more' hardcore than the E46 version it replaces. The RS4 feels soft compared to the M3, and if anything we were wondering if BMW had lost too much of the E46's refinement.

The engine is both louder and much more serious sounding than the S54 straight six. Handling is very balanced, now if that makes it 'refined' then so be it, but that's not how I would describe it. Do you really want an 'edgy' handling 420hp Coupe? No, I didn't think so.

The steering is fine and would probably be sharper with lower profile tyres, but the front is not soft. I am looking at the videos we took and under severe provocation there is no understeer and the car remains flat and very stable when held sideways. It's a fluid handling entertainer that can be finely adjusted in a corner and will be controllable by a wide range of driver talent - not just the racers amongst us.

There is also 'not' a need to drive it high up the rev range. Certainly when all the 'sport/sport plus' settings are engaged then it feels powerful at lower revs - we exited most of the tight hairpins on those spanish roads in no lower than 3rd gear. But despite being more torquey than the E46, it also pulls harder to the red line.

I am a CSL owner and I find the E92 M3 far, far better than the E46 M3 and more sporting as well (I owned 3 E46 M3s). BMW do not 'need' to make a CSL, but they will because they can.


I see hope for the M3

^wow some hope.. thats great.. when will evo put out their review..
i want to hear evo on this and the C63.. they know sporty driving..
i trust them
and sportauto ofcourse..

the rest.. some like luxury, some like sport, some are paid off, some just love their own nations cars..
and the list goes on and on..

I. TOLD. YOU. SO.

Now, wash your mouth and change your avater j/k the avater is funny. Just make sure you delete it in time before proper tests, because you'll look stupid with that avater soon


Artist, you can quote me on this later
The new M3 is the greatest M car, greatest car actually, EVER made by BMW.
So not 'some hope' as you say. C63 will not be as good as the M3. You can quote me on that too.

^man those are big words.. its humans on both sides making the cars..
everything is possible..
its not like some super intelligent aliens are building the M cars...

everything is possible..

but yeah i would still bet my money on the M3... but im not really that convinced..

Those are indeed big words and I would also like to say this. This new M3 will hopefully follow the legacy the E46 had. i.e. be the benchmark of its class and win engine of year awards... over and over again. And to be honest, it's not that far fetched to me.

the return of the prodigal son

Then P Zero Corsas and SMG IV/DTC/ZSG and slap the competition.

Really BMW, tires and transmissions do make a difference.

Fancy robotised manuals and ultra-clingy rubber isn't a pre-requisite for a great car, IE. The M5 just happens to have been engineered into a corner so as not to be compatible with a manual transmission.

BMW clearly learnt from this oversight and have engineered the M3 to be the complete sporting machine with or without a manual gearbox. You'll see; the difference in performance between the manual and ZSG/SMG equipped cars will be slight.

Some of us still like to use our left feet for putting the clutch in and for braking - despite the fact that we'd invariably be faster in a semi-auto.

Just me, it's strange how you can change your avatar to "M3 sucks" after only 2 reviews and don't change it back after several positive reviews saying it is not soft and it's better than the previous M3 and even better than the RS4.

^where are those reviews exactly?